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JiveTurkey
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Mongillo19
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i feel like a lot people have yet to try a cranked up amp with the vol knob on their guitar hahaha. there are a lot of sounds in there.
personally i dont really care if im changing between amp channels or different sounds on a modeler. ive found i really dont need 8 different gain sounds. a lot can be accomplished with the guitars vol knob and picking dynamics.
personally i dont really care if im changing between amp channels or different sounds on a modeler. ive found i really dont need 8 different gain sounds. a lot can be accomplished with the guitars vol knob and picking dynamics.
JiveTurkey
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I'll also add, analog up front; digital in the loop.
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laxu
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One channel amps generally don't need that though. Usually for those kind of amps my approach is "set this up for your guitar, cab and venue, then pair it with pedals for more things". When the amp is set up, you turn your guitar volume/tone controls to make it do different things and that's usually plenty.
With the captured versions you are stuck using whatever EQ tools you have to try to make it sound right for the situation, or you trawl through your pile of captures to find the capture that sounds right. A lot less intuitive than "turn a few knobs on the amp".
With white box modelers it's also easy to do things like "I will change my amp settings a bit for my lead sound on scene 3" where you take what you have, alter it and get a sound that works better than throwing e.g a drive pedal on top of your scene 1 base sound. I think that's a lot more valuable than having an endless supply of snapshots of the same amp.
My favorite use for capture tech is to use it to turn something that is a bit impractical to hook up, like an amp through a loadbox, into a nice little digital model you can load and play on a track. That's the situation where I don't mind scrolling through a few captures to find something that works.
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I will do that, cheers.
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I don’t think what OP is suggesting is outlandish. Captures can be used creatively.
Mesa Studio Preamp and similar early mark series amps are famously hard to balance between channels because of the shared controls.
I’ve used NAM and Tonex to create direct captures of the studio preamp’s various channels at their own respective sweet spots. That into the FX return of my Mark III gives any number of Mark II/III sounds with no real compromises, as many channels as I want. It sounds shockingly authentic too. Sort of like a Triaxis on steroids.
I’d like to do the same with my Recto and JCM 800. Any amp with an FX loop opens up all kinds of options - especially if your amp has physical limitations, like shared knobs. My 800 can become a 3 channel amp if I want clean, crunch, and boosted lead.
YMMV but I find capture technology to be tons of fun when mixed with the analog realm.
Mesa Studio Preamp and similar early mark series amps are famously hard to balance between channels because of the shared controls.
I’ve used NAM and Tonex to create direct captures of the studio preamp’s various channels at their own respective sweet spots. That into the FX return of my Mark III gives any number of Mark II/III sounds with no real compromises, as many channels as I want. It sounds shockingly authentic too. Sort of like a Triaxis on steroids.
I’d like to do the same with my Recto and JCM 800. Any amp with an FX loop opens up all kinds of options - especially if your amp has physical limitations, like shared knobs. My 800 can become a 3 channel amp if I want clean, crunch, and boosted lead.
YMMV but I find capture technology to be tons of fun when mixed with the analog realm.
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No… the reason presence and resonance are global is because they are a function of the power amp; they affect the filtering of the negative feedback in the power amp and that in turn affects power amp response. The power amp behavior affects all channels at once which makes the effect of those controls apply to all amp channels, globally.
Those controls are not part of the preamp tone stack which is where most amplifiers’ BMT controls live.
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Nah, as said those are controls for the poweramp. Could they make those per channel? Sure, but it can be more useful to have options that govern all channels. If your sound is too dark, turn up presence and it will handle that for all of your channels.
Multichannel amps often need multiple EQs to make the most of each channel. Where the gain, EQ and channel master are placed in relation to its gain stages can have a big effect on how those channels sound and behave.
I'm not saying you can't use captures to replace amp channels and boost pedals, but you might end up just removing the things that you want to adjust, or find the EQ tools on the Tonex don't work for you to get it sounding the way you prefer if you e.g change guitars, play somewhere else and so on.
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I wouldn’t say captured in particular, any kind of modelling makes things a lot more flexible than before.
Honestly I can’t see there being that many new DO IT ALL 4 CHANNEL behemoth amps being released a la JVM or VH4. They are almost getting to the point of being an analog modelled - different amp circuits for different channels, complex fx routing if you want it.
I think it’s as much as the decline of people needing big amps for a lot of things as it is technology getting better. And it’s largely down to cost+ease of going on the road with something small and light vs having to travel with huge amps, which is literally going to be a deal breaker for many bands when trying to tour and not come out at a loss.
Honestly I can’t see there being that many new DO IT ALL 4 CHANNEL behemoth amps being released a la JVM or VH4. They are almost getting to the point of being an analog modelled - different amp circuits for different channels, complex fx routing if you want it.
I think it’s as much as the decline of people needing big amps for a lot of things as it is technology getting better. And it’s largely down to cost+ease of going on the road with something small and light vs having to travel with huge amps, which is literally going to be a deal breaker for many bands when trying to tour and not come out at a loss.
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Elric
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Of course, there may be a few exceptions; and it is of course entirely possible to make a switching network that switches the feedback when the channel switches; but most manufacturers do not complicate their design like that since it's really past the point of diminishing returns for most cases.
Regardless it's a function of the power amp and tends to be global in the vast majority of amplifiers because of that.
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Recto…
