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It does, and it has piqued my interest even more than it was already piqued.
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I think the Friedman IRX is what happened when Dave Friedman thought…Hey, I could make a ‘module’ into a pedal and give it a few nice upgrades!
So now Im hoping, because Friedman Soldano etc. are now all part of Bad, that Fryette will pick the Deliverance as their intro to the new IRX line…
I had a Syn2 for a while with their Power amp and later sold it off to get the Syn50 head. The Deliverance module was one of the best, that and the Friedman BE/BB module were in there most of the time.
So now Im hoping, because Friedman Soldano etc. are now all part of Bad, that Fryette will pick the Deliverance as their intro to the new IRX line…
I had a Syn2 for a while with their Power amp and later sold it off to get the Syn50 head. The Deliverance module was one of the best, that and the Friedman BE/BB module were in there most of the time.
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Ok…
this is what I'm hoping or that the Syn1 module is updated to include some form of power amp simulation.
Boudoir Guitar
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That would sound like shit, imo. Watch the metro video - the dude tuned the preamp to sound as close to the amp as possible through a neutral power amp.
If you listen to my bassman comparisons and consider throwing “poweramp modeling” whatever that is on top of it - it would sound like muddy garbage.
Thread 'BLIND COMPARO IS THE BESTO!!!!!!!!! EVEN WHEN THEY MAKE NO SENSE!! Helix vs Synergy'
https://thegearforum.com/threads/bl...hen-they-make-no-sense-helix-vs-synergy.2951/
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but, if that is the case, why do you think the IR-X sounds so good, and not like messy garbage?
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Because it was designed to have power amp modeling included?
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Stated another way, one can consider the Synergy stuff to include a different form of “power amp modeling” - it is baked into the voicing of the modules.
Stated an additional way “if the Synergy does not sound deficient when used direct, what does one hope to gain by adding “power amp modeling”? It just seems like judging a piece of gear based on its spec sheet rather than on the myriad audio examples that are available.
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From my perspective the Friedman IR X is around the same price as a Synergy compatible module and doesn’t require the purchase of a Syn 1 or 2. It sounds as good, if not better, than the BE/BB into a Syn2 out to a power amp.
It has better features, everything the Syn 1 does plus more, like IR loading and midi, room for man sized hands to turn man sized knobs.
So if you aren’t already in the Synergy universe there won’t be a need to go into it, assuming the rest of BAD creators like Fryette and Soldano and Morgan follow Friedman‘s IR X offering. Of course I’m assuming there is such a plan for them to do that and I have no idea if they do.
it seems like a good move on their part though. There are lots of potential customers for that kind of superior-stand alone-module that otherwise haven’t and won‘t go all in on Synergy.
i ended up getting a Fryette LXIi power amp in my Synergy quest and kept it. The modules and Syn2 and the following Syn50 head all sold off. Plugging the Friedman IRX into the Fryette LXII is way better than the Synergy module into the Synergy power amp.
You can also use just the IRX into an amp with an effects loop to add two channels of Friedman to whatever amp you have just like you can with Syn1 and a Synergy module. And you can just use the IRX into a amp or direct into DAW etc.
i think it could be the automobile that replaced the horse and buggy.
It has better features, everything the Syn 1 does plus more, like IR loading and midi, room for man sized hands to turn man sized knobs.
So if you aren’t already in the Synergy universe there won’t be a need to go into it, assuming the rest of BAD creators like Fryette and Soldano and Morgan follow Friedman‘s IR X offering. Of course I’m assuming there is such a plan for them to do that and I have no idea if they do.
it seems like a good move on their part though. There are lots of potential customers for that kind of superior-stand alone-module that otherwise haven’t and won‘t go all in on Synergy.
i ended up getting a Fryette LXIi power amp in my Synergy quest and kept it. The modules and Syn2 and the following Syn50 head all sold off. Plugging the Friedman IRX into the Fryette LXII is way better than the Synergy module into the Synergy power amp.
You can also use just the IRX into an amp with an effects loop to add two channels of Friedman to whatever amp you have just like you can with Syn1 and a Synergy module. And you can just use the IRX into a amp or direct into DAW etc.
i think it could be the automobile that replaced the horse and buggy.
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Fryette reportedly wanted to do a revision to the SYN1 to have a 1w power section so it could be used standalone with a cab. I always thought that would have been cool. It would be really cool if they did that, plus added an optional power amp emulation of the Syn50/50 poweramp, and an IR loader. That would pretty much make it a Swiss Army knife enclosure. Might work better as a dual module lunchbox style though.
The problem is every enclosure and head has some sort of benefit and drawback. Unless you want to go full rack, everything in the line has its pluses and minuses.
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I wonder if they are all at lunch talking about the cost benefits of upgrading the Syn1 to be what the IRX is and Dave is sitting back smiling about his sales of the IRX or not? He may have called them up to say he will be late because he is finishing up his next IRX offering. Lol
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I totally agree on that - especially as I'm in that very camp. When I found out I needed that SYN-1 "host" to use the Deliverance, it was pretty much an instant pass for me. Might be worth in case you really start collecting the modules, but it'd be super counterproductive for me in terms of streamlining my recording stuff.
So I'd really love to see some more IR-X kinda pedals. I could possibly get along with the Friedman, but I'd really like some more non-Friedman-ish base tone, especially for the driven channel. The Deliverance module seems to be a lot more up my alley, so if that was available in IR-X format...
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The IR-x form-factor makes a lot of sense for some uses, but there is still plenty of room for both approaches. The IR-x locks you into "direct with power amp modeling and IR" OR "feeding power amp without power amp modeling or IR". You can't do what a lot of folks love to do - have a separate outputs for DI and for power amp/cabinet use.
I'm also not quite sure how you'd run two of them together even if other makers started making that form factor? Maybe if you connect them to a loop-switcher? Doesn't appear to be any sort of bypass at all.
It also doesn't allow you to "add a channel (or 4)" to an amp/modeler the way the syn-1 and 2 do.
The challenge with adding "power amp modeling" to the Synergy system is that...all of the modules were voiced to be used without it. So to leverage it, you'd have to have a whole lot of new modules designed to be used in conjunction with "power amp modeling".
The Synergy stuff is expensive and specialized, but it is also incredibly well thought out and built like a tank. You get what you pay for with it...I mean, some years ago I could imagine a lot of folks wanting to use a Syn-1 in always-bypassed mode JUST as a tube buffer stage to run in front of a modeler like folks used to do with all those ART things.
I'm also not quite sure how you'd run two of them together even if other makers started making that form factor? Maybe if you connect them to a loop-switcher? Doesn't appear to be any sort of bypass at all.
It also doesn't allow you to "add a channel (or 4)" to an amp/modeler the way the syn-1 and 2 do.
The challenge with adding "power amp modeling" to the Synergy system is that...all of the modules were voiced to be used without it. So to leverage it, you'd have to have a whole lot of new modules designed to be used in conjunction with "power amp modeling".
The Synergy stuff is expensive and specialized, but it is also incredibly well thought out and built like a tank. You get what you pay for with it...I mean, some years ago I could imagine a lot of folks wanting to use a Syn-1 in always-bypassed mode JUST as a tube buffer stage to run in front of a modeler like folks used to do with all those ART things.
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Yeah, I thought that was less than ideal, too. Also, from all I remember, the onboard switching options leave some stuff to be desired, so if you really wanted to make full use of it, you'd have to switch it via MIDI - which, in return, at least kind of renders the onboard switching superfluous, hence, in a somwhat larger MIDI based pedalboard setup, the switches would possibly do nothing else but waste space.
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I don' t think the Synergy stuff was ever meant for "hey, I like the sound of that module. I'll build a rig around it" approach. I think the only reason folks might be interested in it is:
(1) using lots of modules. and/or
(2) its 4cm approach where you can connect it to an amp (or modeler) with effects loop so that you can choose between Synergy preamp or your amp (or modeler)'s preamp...basically adding a couple of channels to your amp.
There's lots of gear that sounds great but doesn't make sense for a lot of use cases (see: 100 watt NMV heads).
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Yeah, seems like (too bad, for me at least, because I still like the sounds of that video a whole lot). As said in my first reply, I wasn't really aware of how the Synergy ecosystem was meant to work, now I sort of am. And it's not for me. Huge money burner for things I possibly don't need (not a bad concept, though, as it seems, especially once you own one of their hosting things).
Unless I'm misunderstanding you but you can run the IRX in both situations together.
So send the balanced output to front of house and use the send output to a power amp and cabinet.
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Have you run it that way (or seen someone run it that way)? I don't see an example in the manual, and would assume that going out of the send, without ever coming back into the return, would...leave you with nothing on the balanced output. But perhaps my assumption is wrong.
