sOoN... again?

[Orvillain]

But it's about the same amount of wiring mess as connecting an audio interface for Tonex V2 captures?

Yeah exactly.

1 cable for your guitar.
1 cable for the send to the amp.
1 cable coming back from the amp/loadbox/microphone.
1 or 2 cables going to your monitors.

It really really really isn't any different. Such an illogical point of contention.

 

[Jarick]

I'll also say, when I had the QC I didn't really find captures to be much better than modeled amps or effects. I'm not a big null test guy, but to my ears there just wasn't any real benefit.

However, if you can still run multiple V2 captures in a single patch, this could be HUGE. Just think about a properly captured Big Muff into a properly captured JCM 800 low input...instant Smashing Pumpkins. Or being able to clean up a Fuzz Face capture with the volume knob correctly.

 

[Orvillain]

Fair play to Neural though. Consistently sounding way better than anything Kemper have ever done.

 

[mbenigni]

The old captures did not work well with fuzz, and I'm not surprised if they were bad on blended amps as those are complex. Compression is a new one though, I'm not sure anyone ever tried to capture that before? Seems there's a bigger time component there. I'll be curious how that works out.

I don't have a QC anymore but the biggest issue I had is with gain levels being incorrect. Curious if that got fixed.

The video I've been making fun of supports your observation that V1's levels were borked, and V2 does a better job.

 

[Jarick]

The video I've been making fun of supports your observation that V1's levels were borked, and V2 does a better job.

Between that and loving Kemper V1 for a decade, maybe our standards were just really low lol

 

[JiveTurkey]

The video I've been making fun of

 

[Whizzinby]

Typically, yes. But it's almost absurd in this video. The V1 captures are obviously completely missing the mark for these specific devices (everything up to the Recto and JCM), and he doesn't really address the point. Then it's like, "Now let's compare the V2 capture directly against the V1 capture that clearly failed outright. As you can hear, the V2 captures the subtle bloom of the blah blah blah..." No, what I hear is the V1 sounds more or less like the guitar signal being run dry.

Regardless, V2 is the real deal. I already liked the sound and feel of the QC, and this is like a second honeymoon. These new Fender Deluxe '58 (and Vox AC10, and on and on...) captures are astonishing.

I’m pumped for you dude. This was exactly the type of update I was hoping for (with some consistency) when I was on the QC train. They hit almost all aspects of the device with this one. Really badass.

 

[JiveTurkey]

Its great seeing some love sent the OG owners' way!

 

[mbenigni]

Between that and loving Kemper V1 for a decade, maybe our standards were just really low lol

My time with Kemper was relatively brief - and I was an early adopter so I missed a lot of the improvements. Truth is I never really jelled with Kemper, and kind of rode the hype/ peer-pressure wave for the most part. Not saying it wasn't great for its time, just saying it never bowled me over.

I liked QC the day it showed up (much to my surprise) and it's only gotten better.

 

[mbenigni]

I'll also say, when I had the QC I didn't really find captures to be much better than modeled amps or effects. I'm not a big null test guy, but to my ears there just wasn't any real benefit.

I think it's something you have to take on an amp by amp basis. There are some amp models I Iove, some not so much; some captures I love, some not so much. It's nice being able to pick and choose - especially in cases where there's no model for the amp you want in the first place.

Four years later and I'm still reaching for one of the factory captures of the ENGL Blackmore 50+% of the time. (Four years from now, I might still be reaching for these V2 Fenders and Voxes!)

However, if you can still run multiple V2 captures in a single patch, this could be HUGE. Just think about a properly captured Big Muff into a properly captured JCM 800 low input...instant Smashing Pumpkins. Or being able to clean up a Fuzz Face capture with the volume knob correctly.

HELL yeah. :)

 

[laxu]

It depends on the audio interface. Some are going to be much more plug and play while others will need a separate reamp box to avoid ground noise. On my UAD Apollo, sometimes I get ground noise that would prevent my ability to capture, sometimes I did not and the captures were great. I would need to buy a separate re-amp box. Or more realistically I'd probably buy one of those IK audio interfaces that have an integrated reamp feature.

That's why a proper hardware unit calibrated for captures is nice. Everything is all in one without worrying about noise or issues. Gain should be calibrated already. It should give the most consistent results.

I just used a Lehle P-Split with my audio interface so that's one extra cable and pushing one switch on and off to see which way it is less noisy.

I'll admit it was more complex to make sure the audio interface itself was sending the right things to the right outputs and not direct monitoring the wrong ones so it all feeds back.

When I had the QC, I found it was really not much more convient though. To get good results you still had to mess with input/output levels and they were at the time at least not intutive to figure out from the UI. I'm sure the process has improved over the years.

Does the Nano Cortex support making V2 captures? Like sending the measured track to the cloud?

 

[mbenigni]

Does the Nano Cortex support making V2 captures? Like sending the measured track to the cloud?

"SOON"

 

[Jarick]

My time with Kemper was relatively brief - and I was an early adopter so I missed a lot of the improvements. Truth is I never really jelled with Kemper, and kind of rode the hype/ peer-pressure wave for the most part. Not saying it wasn't great for its time, just saying it never bowled me over.

I liked QC the day it showed up (much to my surprise) and it's only gotten better.

I've tried Kemper three times, bailed on it fairly quickly the first two times and sitting on the Player waiting for updates for the third time. There is something interesting with the Kemper, a pleasing warmth quality, but the profiles do lack high end detail and I guess a firmness or clarity in the low end. We'll see about the V2 profiles.

NDSP captures to me just sounded a bit anemic and flat. I really liked the amp modeling though, and most of the effects sounded really good. If the build quality was better and the dev team didn't seem like a raft floating at sea, I'd probably still have it.

 

[mbenigni]

This is a simple QoL thing that would be a game-changer on QC: since there are usually about 20 factory captures for any given device, and they typically reside in a subfolder dedicated to that particular device, there should be a knob on the device edit screen, just to the left of the gain knob, that lets you cycle through all of the variations in place. So I can say, "Sure I want a Lovepedal Champ (or whatever) in front of my amp, but I have no idea whether I want #1 or #12 or something between, so just give me a knob to spin until I find it." Especially important when you have two interdependent captures and you have to test combinations. Right now you've got to select "change device", and dive into a bunch of menus, which makes it very difficult to determine whether different drive settings might work better with different amp settings, for instance.

 

[mbenigni]

NDSP captures to me just sounded a bit anemic and flat. I really liked the amp modeling though, and most of the effects sounded really good. If the build quality was better and the dev team didn't seem like a raft floating at sea, I'd probably still have it.

These new captures are pretty astounding IMO. Day one honeymoon disclaimers in full effect, but the dynamics are definitely a step up.

Funny about build quality. I guess they had more than their share of returns/ repairs, but I always liked the hardware. Even the PSU never bothered me much. For sure the dev team has seemed MIA or in over their heads much of the time, but this update has me feeling pretty optimistic. :)

 

[Jynx]

I won't get to try any of this ' til next Friday as I'm on holiday.

 

[Desertdweller]

Yeah exactly.

1 cable for your guitar.
1 cable for the send to the amp.
1 cable coming back from the amp/loadbox/microphone.
1 or 2 cables going to your monitors.

It really really really isn't any different. Such an illogical point of contention.

For the NC, I use literally 2 cables.

This below is Tonex, and I believe PC connection is required, right?

 

[AlbertA]

YEEEHH

Nice comparison - those captures sounded great to me.

 

[Chocol8]

For the NC, I use literally 2 cables.

This below is Tonex, and I believe PC connection is required, right?


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I do Tonex captures with just guitar cable, one out to amp and one in from DI. I don't use outputs to monitors, don't use a mic or second mic, and don't use a reamp box most of the time. Even the guitar is optional if you have the amp setup well and have the levels for your gear set.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Compression is a new one though, I'm not sure anyone ever tried to capture that before?

Pretty sure STL Tonehub for mixing is just doing a capture process for full mixing chains including compression. I don’t think any of the guitar hardware people are doing it, though. Now you can capture that Sadites glue for your NDSP devices.