Seventh New Behringer Pedal Release 😎

[spawnofthesith]

Ok it’s obvious you have an endorsement deal of some kind (or something) with Behringer

I’m quite certain you aren’t this dense, but enjoy shilling junk pedals and playing dumb

 

[KingsXJJ]

Now we know why we can’t have nice thin

Ok it’s obvious you have an endorsement deal of some kind (or something) with Behringer

I’m quite certain you aren’t this dense, but enjoy shilling junk pedals and playing dumb

i rest my case. Good night brother. Enough sauce for tonight I think. Sleep well.

 

[spawnofthesith]

Now we know why we can’t have nice thin

i rest my case. Good night brother. Enough sauce for tonight I think. Sleep well.

You’re on something much worse than sauce if you think the “Friedman colors” are any sort of comparison to what Behringer is doing here

 

[KingsXJJ]

You’re on something much worse than sauce if you think the “Friedman colors” are any sort of comparison to what Behringer is doing here

Have a good Chinese New Year!

 

[spawnofthesith]

This vid and its implications are all kosher, no shilling or infringement happening here at all

 

[spawnofthesith]

Here’s the first four releases.
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[spawnofthesith]

So Dave, who do you work for?

Woof


I regret my lack of cynicism previously


But holy shit, there’s some very “interesting” interactions between two forum members in this thread

Totally natural, normal conversations.. for suuuuure

 

[V|J]

Anything that’s affordable that helps youngsters get into playing and making music is OK by me

Anything that is legal and brings down prices (especially for young/new musicians) sounds GREAT in my book.

My 2 cents..

What beginners and kids need are sounds, which plenty of generic chinese Boss clones deliver well.

Nowadays with digital, it’s even easier to experiment with sounds before deciding and getting something analog.

These are clones of iconic gear marketed towards adults aware of said iconic gear.

And I say all this with a music journey defined by a lack of gear.

The only pedals I’ve ever bought were through AliExpress, with a wait time of 4 months. And those were the gateway to a lot of wet/dry fun.

 

[Dave Lewis]

I’ll make it clear again I don’t work for anyone I’m retired.
I started collecting Behringer pedals after watching Josh Scott’s excellent video


on them before the first lock down with my then teenage son after buying him his first Electric guitar and thought it would be fun to try some and not break the bank if he didn’t like them.
(The new plastic pedals were a lot cheaper then around £13.00 each from Thomann )
Our collection is now over 50 with the three new ones on pre order.
We also have large collections of other well know and not so well known makes .
I like what I like and don’t give a stuff about what other people think.
Same goes for guitars amps and other guitar related gear.

 

[Orvillain]

I’ll make it clear again I don’t work for anyone I’m retired.

Not sure I believe you really. You're very suspect. I can't put my finger on it, but I've decided to disregard anything you say about products, because I simply cannot trust you.

Everyone else can make their own mind up.

 

[Dave Lewis]

Not sure I believe you really. You're very suspect. I can't put my finger on it, but I've decided to disregard anything you say about products, because I simply cannot trust you.

Everyone else can make their own mind up.

I don’t appreciate being called a liar by a keyboard warrior .
You believe what you want mate but stop thread crapping with your conspiracy theories it spoils it for others.

 

[Orvillain]

I don’t appreciate being called a liar by a keyboard warrior .
You believe what you want mate but stop thread crapping with your conspiracy theories it spoils it for others.

Don't tell me what to do. You're not my da.

 

[JiveTurkey]

It's one thing to buy some Amazon rip-off turd that's out for 3 weeks for $30 before they pull it from the shelves. It's an entire other thing when it's a mass marketed ripoff in both circuitry AND looks being pushed upon the public and is a complete rip from head to toe. Add to that the Behringer stink and here we are.

 

[spawnofthesith]

If they put this clone in one of their original enclosures like in post #49 I doubt many if any would be having this conversation or raising much complaint

 

[Dave Lewis]

Don't tell me what to do. You're not my da.

Oh you have one then
I’m not sure I believe you I’ll let others make there minds up.

 

[Orvillain]

Oh you have one then
I’m not sure I believe you I’ll let others make there minds up.

I used to. He died when I was 15. Cheers.

 

[KingsXJJ]

It's one thing to buy some Amazon rip-off turd that's out for 3 weeks for $30 before they pull it from the shelves. It's an entire other thing when it's a mass marketed ripoff in both circuitry AND looks being pushed upon the public and is a complete rip from head to toe. Add to that the Behringer stink and here we are.

Ok man. Serious answer for a guy who knows I love him.

I don’t see a lot of stuff yanked off of Amazon but that just may be me. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but because you assert it I assume it to be true. I’ve just never witnessed it.

Let me phrase your second point a slightly different way and hear how it lands with you. Suppose a classic pedal desired by many is no longer in production like the Boss CE-1 or original Klon. They aren’t available new and the used market is expensive and the items are extremely desirable. The original company or designer is no longer making money from sales. Behringer comes along and sees market demand and decides to offer a product that essentially looks and sounds similar for much less. Assuming they aren’t sued for breaking some law how is this not a good thing?

Who is losing here? Otherwise, if the unit is still in production, I believe the original designer/creator/producer should take their argument to court. Besides Gibson and a few others, I haven’t seen much of that which might be my ignorance. So many ideas and products have been copied with impunity that I wonder what is the difference of opinion of right and wrong versus what is ok legally. There is a big difference between philosophically questionable things versus things we don’t like versus what is perfectly legal I think.

 

[spawnofthesith]

It's not a matter of not liking behringer. I own and love an X air 18

Mu tron still exists and is still actively manufacturing their pedals. Mike Beigel literally invented the envelope filter.

Regardless, there's been plenty of copies of this circuit going around across all prices ranges for decades that no ones complaining about.

Behringer isn't some savior here swooping in to fill a hole in the market or "help out young players"

I'm not sure why you still keep bringing up the circuit, I don't know how many people can keep turning blue in the face saying that's not what its about.

The blatant trade dress infringement as well as behringer trying to co op the history of the pedals is the problem here.


It should be taken to court, and it should be a fairly simple matter, but unfortunately a small American company vs. a multibillion international conglomerate isn't as easy of a lawsuit as you are trying to make it. Mike as alluded that he has been trying to handle this in the court system. Unfortunately its been an uphill battle for a small business vs teams of hundreds of laywers on retainer who specialize in getting away with this kind of stuff

 

[SillyOctpuss]

Who is losing here? Otherwise, if the unit is still in production, I believe the original designer/creator/producer should take their argument to court. Besides Gibson and a few others, I haven’t seen much of that which might be my ignorance. So many ideas and products have been copied with impunity that I wonder what is the difference of opinion of right and wrong versus what is ok legally. There is a big difference between philosophically questionable things versus things we don’t like versus what is perfectly legal I think.

This argument is flawed in that the people with the most money I.e. Behringer almost always win regardless of whether the facts or law backs them up, especially in the US. Even if the smaller company believes they can win they likely can't afford to take on someone like behringer. Companies like behringer know this so do whatever the fuck they want and the smaller company pays the price.

I genuinely struggle to believe that you don't know this or think that it's not true.

I know a few people who own small pedal companies and behringer, mooer, Joyo etc bother them a hell of a lot more than people in the diy pedal scene.

 

[Orvillain]

Ok man. Serious answer for a guy who knows I love him.

I don’t see a lot of stuff yanked off of Amazon but that just may be me. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but because you assert it I assume it to be true. I’ve just never witnessed it.

Let me phrase your second point a slightly different way and hear how it lands with you. Suppose a classic pedal desired by many is no longer in production like the Boss CE-1 or original Klon. They aren’t available new and the used market is expensive and the items are extremely desirable. The original company or designer is no longer making money from sales. Behringer comes along and sees market demand and decides to offer a product that essentially looks and sounds similar for much less. Assuming they aren’t sued for breaking some law how is this not a good thing?

Who is losing here? Otherwise, if the unit is still in production, I believe the original designer/creator/producer should take their argument to court. Besides Gibson and a few others, I haven’t seen much of that which might be my ignorance. So many ideas and products have been copied with impunity that I wonder what is the difference of opinion of right and wrong versus what is ok legally. There is a big difference between philosophically questionable things versus things we don’t like versus what is perfectly legal I think.

Why are you simping for the most disreputable company in music tech??