Ownhammer Studio Standard Plugin

nicolasrivera said:
Unfortunately I did not see that, just that it uses iLok. Paid stand now i can not use it. It's asking for the archaic iLok dungle! I have over 100 licences with iLok, none has ever asked for a USB thing. Unless I did something wrong, I just wasted $59 and will not spend another $54 on that dam dongle.
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Yeah at that point I would just ask for a refund. If OwnHammer refuses, take it up with your credit card company and then probably never buy anything from OwnHammer again.

Hell, I'd probably put them on my blacklist if they won't refund for what is a perfectly valid blunder to make. I don't think it's fair to expect a customer to understand the differences between various iLok methods. I always throught it was simply "use a USB dongle OR use the cloud" with every product requiring iLok.
 
laxu said:
Yeah at that point I would just ask for a refund. If OwnHammer refuses, take it up with your credit card company and then probably never buy anything from OwnHammer again.

Hell, I'd probably put them on my blacklist if they won't refund for what is a perfectly valid blunder to make. I don't think it's fair to expect a customer to understand the differences between various iLok methods. I always throught it was simply "use a USB dongle OR use the cloud" with every product requiring iLok.
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The thing is that i love Ownhammer. I will talk to them if they are contemplating changing that hardware lok to a virtual one with iLok.
 
laxu said:
Yeah I understand that too..but it doesn't make me want to buy any Fractal cabs when I can't install them on a hardware product so they work like the existing DynaCabs, and I can't use CabLab to create IRs to use with other devices.

Hence ML Sound Lab MIKKO 2 is my cab sim of choice.
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Can I import, EQ and then export IR’s with the free version?
 
KingsXJJ said:
Can I import, EQ and then export IR’s with the free version?
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Of ML Mikko 2? No idea about export, but the plugin cannot import IRs. It's meant only for ML's own cabs.

If you want to mix IR files together then e.g Cabinetron is a more suitable product.
 
KingsXJJ said:
Can I import, EQ and then export IR’s with the free version?
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As Laxu said, you can't import IR's. It's not an IR loader. The free version comes with the Mesa Oversized cab and 4 mics and is fully functional. You can even export mixes with it, including any eq applied. The full license unlocks the rest of the cabs and mics. I'm not really a Mesa fan, but the free cab is actually quite good and the mics you get are probably the only ones you actually need (if I remember correctly it gives you 57, 121, m160, 421).
 
I was looking forward to seeing what they would come out with, since I've been liking a lot of their recent IR releases, but this isn't really for me. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not really a Mesa fan. I think they're good, it's just not something I use much. I was hoping they'd come out with some sort of multi cab suite, not just a single cab. It does look quite flexible though. I don't really like the lack of visual movement of the mic position. I know you can just listen, but I still like to be able to see what's going on and drag the mic around.

The ilok USB situation is really something I don't like also. I'm not a huge fan of the ML Soundlab license approach, but I think this is actually worse. If you don't already have one, it means it's going to cost you even more money. There's also the lack of a demo. Possibly the biggest problem of all is the inability to export, making it a studio recording only type tool. All their existing customers are already using IRs, so I think not being able to export to load them into something is really going to limit their target audience. Between that, the lack of a demo, and ilok situation, potential new customers that aren't already familiar with their products might be reluctant to try it. I'm not a big plugin user but it seems that every plugin I've ever looked at had some sort of demo available. Maybe there are some others that don't, but it doesn't seem common.
 
Orvillain said:
It isn't my preferred solution. My preferred solution is either a simple and user-controllable challenge response system, or a simple serial key.
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Yeah, serial please. Ideally a personalized one (only working with your user name). U-He is one of the few somewhat bigger (or at least somewhat wellknown) companies still doing it that way and they seem to be doing pretty well.
In the end, it's customer support that keeps people buying things, whereas intrusive copy protection puts people off.

Orvillain said:
Waves isn't too bad, although Waves Central has gotten more and more unintuitive over the years. But same sort of deal, they allow you a certain number of de-authorizations, so you're in control.
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I agree on Waves Central as being worse than a while ago (and I hate them for putting ads in what is an authorisation management tool), but I was amazed how flawlessly things worked when I was switching from my old Mac Pro to the new Macbook.

Actually, as much as I hate NI, Native Access could be sort of nice, too - but yes, I said "could", simply because they don't get the rest of their support and quality assurance sorted at all, so you may end up with, say, Kontakt libraries being updated and then not working with your version of Kontakt anymore - without any notification. As a tool in itself, NA is quite ok, especially as it also allows you to easily change and relocate library locations, which can easily become a chore with others.
 
ccc118 said:
All their existing customers are already using IRs, so I think not being able to export to load them into something is really going to limit their target audience.
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This can easily be solved, though, as described in the IR creation tool thread.
 
Sascha Franck said:
This can easily be solved, though, as described in the IR creation tool thread.
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If it's something I really wanted, maybe I'd deal with it and create IRs, but it seems like it would get annoying to have to do every time, especially if you make periodic adjustments in a plugin. I'd still rather have an export function.
 
laxu said:
It's totally unnecessary complication when you could just have an export button with format options.
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They don't want you to. Also, probably any 3rd parties making Cab Lab packs also don't want that.
 
As said already, if you really wanted to export an IR, you can do that with anything you're using as a source. Sure, it's a bit more manual work - but how often do you actually need to do this? I sometimes mix some IRs and use the manual way of consolidating them (I have a dedicated Logic project with all routings set up just for this very task), but that "sometimes" by now boils down to maybe once in half a year, so it's not really taking away any valuable time. Add to this that I have every mixing tool available that I could possibly think of, not just those someone coming up with a plugin found to be good enough.
 
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