OMFG I need an SLO100 in my life

mbenigni said:
PHWOAR. And I've got a stack of DSLs that would almost pay for this. :rofl

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dk_ace said:
I’m afraid to try a real 100. In modeler land, I try a bunch of high gain amps looking for one I like for both rhythm and lead use. No matter how many times i repeat that exercise, in Fractal or Helix, I seem to always land on the SLO.

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Do yourself a favor and continue to avoid it :cry:
 
I dig Ceriatone stuff a lot, but I really can't see a good reason to go for their SLO clone over either a Jet City (plentiful and awesome) or a C3 based clone (if you care about internal parts+it looking legit).
 
MirrorProfiles said:
I dig Ceriatone stuff a lot, but I really can't see a good reason to go for their SLO clone over either a Jet City (plentiful and awesome) or a C3 based clone (if you care about internal parts+it looking legit).
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Seriously? The build quality difference with Ceriatone over Jet City is massive. Like not even in the same product category in my mind. I think they are also higher quality than C3 kits at half the price as a kit and fully built they are less expensive and higher quality than the kits.
 
Chocol8 said:
Seriously? The build quality difference with Ceriatone over Jet City is
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IDK, I don't think Ceriatone use anything too special. Its fairly cheap caps and resistors (probably on par with Jet City which really aren't too bad), and the transformers are in the ballpark IMO. C3 kits use high spec components and IIRC they may even be the same transformers as current build SLO's. The Jet City PCB's aren't bad at all either.

For anyone who cares about having the right brand of components and build quality, you just go for the real deal. Anything over a Jet City is a pretty tough sell to me, they're very hard to beat and stand up pretty well next to a full fat Soldano.
 
Chocol8 said:
They are midlevel just like Ceriatone. Jet City is budget category stuff and they are not even SLO clones and were not meant to be. They sound good for a budget level amp, but they are nowhere near an SLO.
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This is just BS I'm afraid. Ceriatone parts are fine, but they are not using anything like what you find in a C3 or legit SLO. You're not getting Vishay/Sprague/Panasonic/CTS/O'Netics level parts. They use house brand caps and resistors, which are fine but are closer to what you'll find in a JCA (which are fine too). There is a lot that can be upgraded in a Ceriatone, just as there is in a JCA. And I'm not sure there's anything that you'd upgrade in a JCA that you wouldn't also upgrade in a Ceriatone build, if you're going that route.

Check C3's own home page.

Stock kits include: Chassis (white), O'Netics transformers, Sovtek 5881 power tubes, JJ 12AX7 PreAmp tubes, Panasonic coupling caps, Sprague 716P signal caps, Vishay resistors, Spraque electrolytic capacitors (PreAmp), CTS Potentiometers
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JCA are the Hot Rod circuit. It's dead simple to change to an SLO circuit, which any competent tech can do in a short amount of time. There's enough decent demos out there of them holding their own, and if they don't meet your standards then go buy the real thing. Because nothing else will hold up either.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
I dig Ceriatone stuff a lot, but I really can't see a good reason to go for their SLO clone over either a Jet City (plentiful and awesome) or a C3 based clone (if you care about internal parts+it looking legit).
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You know I think Jet City are cool for what they were. But come on not even the last SLOs were like the ones with the DeYoung xformer. And they had at least O-netics in it. I’m guessing the BAD version has Mercury Magnetics?
 
Ed DeGenaro said:
You know I think Jet City are cool for what they were. But come on not even the last SLOs were like the ones with the DeYoung xformer. And they had at least O-netics in it. I’m guessing the BAD version has Mercury Magnetics?
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No idea. It's all a wash to me. Cool to own the real deal and I think anyone that cares should just buy the real thing. Plenty of good clones out there - I think I paid £200 or so all in for a JCA100HDM and the mods. I've seen C3 builds go for around £900-1500 or so used. Ceriatone falls somewhere between those 2 for me, which makes it a tough sell. But if someone thinks a Ceriatone clone is going to get them closer to the real deal, more power to you.

I've only played a real (old) SLO once, and it was awesome but very much an "in the room" thing. Mic'd up I don't think I'd have it that loud as I tend to prefer more headroom
 
MirrorProfiles said:
This is just BS I'm afraid. Ceriatone parts are fine, but they are not using anything like what you find in a C3 or legit SLO. You're not getting Vishay/Sprague/Panasonic/CTS/O'Netics level parts. They use house brand caps and resistors, which are fine but are closer to what you'll find in a JCA (which are fine too). There is a lot that can be upgraded in a Ceriatone, just as there is in a JCA. And I'm not sure there's anything that you'd upgrade in a JCA that you wouldn't also upgrade in a Ceriatone build, if you're going that route.

Check C3's own home page.



JCA are the Hot Rod circuit. It's dead simple to change to an SLO circuit, which any competent tech can do in a short amount of time. There's enough decent demos out there of them holding their own, and if they don't meet your standards then go buy the real thing. Because nothing else will hold up either.
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All I can say is you believe some things about certain brands of components that I do not. The stuff you listed for the C3 is mid grade. Nothing wrong with it but nothing better than what I have received in Ceriatone kits which are mostly not house brand, and their house brand filter caps and iron have actually been very good.

If you think a budget Jet City is in the same league as Soldano, BAD, C3 or Ceriatone, I don't know what to tell you. They were designed and built as entry level amps that get you close in sound at 10% of the price of an SLO. They are good for that, but don't belong in the conversation. I have played both, and it's like Squire Bullet vs Fender Custom Shop.
 
Chocol8 said:
If you think a budget Jet City is in the same league as Soldano, BAD, C3 or Ceriatone
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No. I’m saying if you’re going to be a snob about the build quality, then only a proper SLO will do. If you don’t care, then it’s all a wash. A Jet City (or C3 or Ceriatone) doesn’t sound worse than an SLO. I’m not saying it’ll be 100% identical either but ultimately it’s just a matter of opinion. A 5150 or Rectifier or Marshall doesn’t inherently sound “worse” than an SLO even though they’re built much cheaper.
Chocol8 said:
All I can say is you believe some things about certain brands of components that I do not.
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Indeed. I’m actually indifferent to brands, but i’d values and component types are the same then you’re into minute hairsplitting territory.

If you think a Ceriatone is a sufficient clone and worth the money, knock yourself out. All I said is I’d go for a Jet City (could realistically buy 10 for the cost of a FAS100). When the price creeps closer and closer to the real thing, clones just make little sense. Especially when the differences are (IMO) not significant.

You’re welcome to disagree.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
No idea. It's all a wash to me. Cool to own the real deal and I think anyone that cares should just buy the real thing. Plenty of good clones out there - I think I paid £200 or so all in for a JCA100HDM and the mods. I've seen C3 builds go for around £900-1500 or so used. Ceriatone falls somewhere between those 2 for me, which makes it a tough sell. But if someone thinks a Ceriatone clone is going to get them closer to the real deal, more power to you.

I've only played a real (old) SLO once, and it was awesome but very much an "in the room" thing. Mic'd up I don't think I'd have it that loud as I tend to prefer more headroom
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I feel pretty much the same.
I’ve known Mike since 88 when he still built out of his living room in the house on Melrose.
Didn’t care for the early SLO, played with a guy that played only Marshall Majors Mike had hotrodded and they killed.

Played the EVH heads before he shipped it to him, didn’t like it anywhere near as much as his SP77 pre.

Anyways, two of my fave amps I used where a 2203 he modded (extra preamp tube) and an Avenger one off with DeYoungs I got for telling him to built a lower priced SLO lead channel single channel amp.

He finished the last original SLOs with Onetics and even though I dig them (that’s what THD used from day one, and they actually came from remaining THD stock after Bud closed Onetics)

Long story short…heads…SLO without a DeYoung be a no go, but now my approach has changed enough that I might be interested but it’ll be a cold day in hell before I buy a BAD product.
 
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