ian_dissonance
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Windows works fine for live as long as you know what you’re doing. If you want to use your laptop to look at boobs between gigs probably stick with Apple.
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paisleywookiee
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I do know what I'm doing. Doesn't mean I trust Windows 11. If it was Windows 10, then perhaps.
Windows is fine, its just that M series macs in the price range were talking about are pretty hard to beat for audio processing.
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haven’t had any issuessure, and a PC with a better processor, an interface, and a small midi controller would be exponentially less.
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sure, and a PC with a better processor, an interface, and a small midi controller would be exponentially less.
A PC with a better processor than an M5, for exponentially less? That’s fascinating.
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Just for shits and giggles, I just costed up an M5 Pro Macbook Pro, 16inch, nano texture display, with 4TB of space.
£3849.
That's kind of insane. Even if I drop the extras, it is still £2699. And it doesn't come with the power adapter anymore. big belly lols.
My AMD 5950X setup that I built in 2020 is still going strong, and even accounting for the 4090 I added, I'm still less than the cost of the M5, and the 5950X chip is really no slouch and still absolutely whizzes through anything I throw at it. I've built such a great machine - very stable, performs exceptionally in every area - that upgrading to anything else even almost a full 6 years later, makes very little sense for me. But even if I did, I'd just need a new motherboard and CPU, maybe RAM. Don't need to recycle the whole thing.
I'm writing this on my Macbook M1 Pro; which I got in 2021. That's still going strong too. Feel zero need to upgrade. Oh... and the trade in value with Apple? £385. Another big belly lol !!
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No, a better processor than a Celeron.
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Yeah, it’s fun to run up the options, and compare it to a home built PC. I like Apples and oranges too.
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My gaming PC is a 13600K+4090 small form factor system, and that's still cheaper than a Mac Studio, with way, way more GPU horsepower at maybe at most twice the size. Apple's desktop systems don't make a whole lot of sense to me, with maybe the exception of the baseline Mac Mini.
I just bought the Macbook Pro 16" M2 Max 64 GB / 1 TB I have been using for work for the past 3 years. Got a favorable price for it (about 1600 €) and it has performed pretty great so far. I originally asked for the 64 GB RAM because at the time I was working in a project with a very heavy Docker container load for local development, but my current project could do with way less. This is going to be my new recording machine so that RAM is very nice to have! I expect to be using it for quite some time.
My new work machine is a Macbook Pro 16" M5 Pro 48 GB / 1 TB because the Max cost so damn much that it was beyond my company's allowed computer budget. I'm hoping that the M5 Pro's better GPU and the 48 GB RAM might come useful if locally running LLMs become common in my field of work.
Realistically I can't find any relevant difference between my M2 Max vs M5 Pro.
Really all the Apple Silicon devices are great so I'd just buy something older. I personally avoid the M1 gen because it lacks a native HDMI 2.1 port, but that's really my only complaint. M2-M5 Pro or Max is going to do a helluva lot, and for the average user the new MB Neo is probably plenty. It's just that you pay through the nose for disk space and RAM with Apple.
But at the same time, I can't see you getting a better value from say Dell, Lenovo etc. I'd look at Framework if I was going for a PC laptop but those are quickly similar money to Apple.
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I'm really thinking you've hit your head or something recently. Coz one moment you're gushing over the Nolly plugin after buying it in a discount sale, even saying you'd have been happy to pay full price and that the plugin was awesome, and the next moment you're saying you were really disappointed with it and that their plugins are medicore.
And now you're having some problems with logic and understanding why I posted what I did.
1 - I didn't "run up" the options. I did the machine I would want, AND the minimal version with zero options. I put the prices right there.
2 - I'm making a point about value over time. This Macbook I have now (Macbook 16inch M1 Pro from 2021 - which has a proper HDMI port as well btw @laxu) is a really good machine. But it cost me north of £2000 at the time. And now the trade in is £385, and I have to find £2314 on top if I wanted an M5 machine, like you originally suggested. I could drop it to the 14-inch one, which I am actually not prepared to do, and still have to find over £1000 with the trade in.
3 - I wasn't comparing apples and oranges. I was comparing computing platforms. My Windows machine is modular and upgradable, a huge plus point over Apple, because it ultimately saves me money in the long run. It is still a high-end performance machine after 6 years. The Apple model gives me a brutal effective upgrade cost, where the Windows machine doesn't. If I wanted to properly nerd out, I could run Linux on it too. Not sure what the Hackintosh situation is these days, haven't run one for 10 years. But I could even potentially go there.
4 - The performance increase doesn’t justify the upgrade cost. Even if the new MacBook Pro is faster on paper, my current MacBook Pro (M1 Pro, 2021) already handles everything I throw at it without friction. There’s no meaningful bottleneck in my workflow that’s costing me time or money.
This anti-Windows war you keep waging, is nonsense of the highest order. I recommend going to the doctor to get your head checked. If you smell toast, go to the emergency room.
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So now you’re going to take someone you normally get along with, and be an insulting dick to? Fuck off, dude. I’m in no mood.
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No, they don't. Apple is a laptop company. If you really want a desktop, you can buy an Air in a box (Mini) or a Pro in a box (Studio-ish). They've not been a desktop/workstation company in ages.
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I'm sorry you made yourself feel that way.
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BTW, all MacBooks come with power adapters. Glad I could help. Additionally, I don't have a Windows vendetta campaign. But as I've said before, they're like Star Trek movies; every other one sucks. Windows XP? Pretty good. Windows Vista? Shit. Windows 7? Good. Windows 8? Shit. Windows 10? Great. Windows 11? Shit.
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hahahaha!! Brilliant!!!
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Also, yes Nolly X sucks. Just like it took you a baker's dozen times to figure out you hate Kemper, and four times to figure out you liked the QC, it took me a month to figure out I didn't like Nolly X past a few presets. Human beings, and all.
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