NGD: PRS SE DGT (was: Suitable Locking Tuners for PRS SE)

Sascha Franck

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Ok, might in fact be NGD next week. I had an eye on the PRS SE DGT for quite a while already, now the time might've come.
But I defenitely want locking tuners, absolutely no way around that. And I don't see myself paying a premium for PRS ones (let alone Thomann doesn't seem to have suitable ones).

So, any ideas which affordable ones I could be looking for?
 
Cheapest ones are €99, but these are the self-locking ones that I don't like. I'd rather have some in good old Sperzel style.
So far I found some Harley Bentons and some Gotohs that seem to fit. At €39 the HBs are suspiciously cheap, though. The Gotohs (SG381-04 MG-T) seem to be rated excellently and at €69 the price is still nice.
 
I've come to dislike Sperzels, their 12:1 ratio is too coarse and their thumbwheel is too thin.

The SG381 family are good I have those in a couple of guitars, 16:1 ratio is good and I like their locking thumbwheel on the back.

I have PRS SE locking tuners on my DGT SE, as they were just easy to drop in - the kind with the black screw on the top of the shaft. I think I I paid about $80 USD for them.
 
I'd go with the SE locking tuners but if you don't want to drop that much cash you can't go wrong with Gotoh.

Well, the cheaper auto-locking ones are not exactly getting rave reviews and apparently require some smoothing out of the string hole edges, at least that seems to be the consensus for quite some folks, and the better ones are around €160 or so. Can't see myself spending that much when the Gotohs are €65.
I also really got used to thumbwheel style locking tuners, minimal post windings and they stay in tune as fast as it gets, so there's that as well.
Heck, I may even try the HB ones - the latest reviews are amazingly positive. Could always send them back in case they suffer from mechanical issues.

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Anyhow, I'm quite excited about what the guitar will be like (purchase commitment not at 100% yet, but possibly at 95% already). I told myself to never buy a guitar without playing it beforehand, but as PRS guitars are usually great quality right out of the box and as I've played the very same model a bunch of times in shops already, I'm pretty sure it won't go wrong.
Fwiw, the incentive for getting this guy came from having to play a whole bunch of 70s style shows during the next months (and maybe/hopefully some years) and my main live guitars don't exactly look that suitable. So this one is possibly a decent fit, the goldtop at least being a sorta reminiscence of the era without being a LP (which I never liked as live guitars, I have a pretty decent Epiphone that I tried a bunch of times, but it always took 1-2 songs until I went back to the usual suspects). And I can certainly use the thing for my personal fun, too. Besides, it's gonna be my first PRS, so there's that as well.
Also had a Revstar in mind, but then, I just love whammy bars.
 
Hipshot Griplock tuners are the most satisfying to turn tuners I've ever used.
 
Hipshot Griplock tuners are the most satisfying to turn tuners I've ever used.

The only ones I seem to be able to get here are ones with the screw sleeve not matching the PRS holes.

Anyhow, I may consider them in case all else goes wrong. So far I think Gotohs will be my choice.
 
Very cool, hope the DGT works out! It's been on my radar for a while.

It has actually been on my radar ever since it was released, but so far I couldn't find sufficient reasons to actually buy one, which has changed a little.
The only thing I'm sure I will not like is the push-pull coil splitting affair. In case I really like the guitar I will possibly add a switch for that.
And I usually also don't like more than one master volume, but I'll see how this turns out.

Oh, and it'll likely take me a while to get accustomed to the pickup switch. I've been playing strat style switches live for decades by now. I even modified my Pacifica Tele so the switch would operate at least kinda similar (especially regarding its position). Having my pinky ready to switch at any moment has become a second nature, so I'll have to see how that goes. At least they haven't slapped one of those (IMO utterly stupid) rotary pickup selectors in. If there ever was something anti-rock'n'roll in guitar switching land, it's gotta be the PRS rotary pickup selector.
 
Ok, guitar arrived.
Looks great, sounds great, neck feels fantastic.

But:

- Needs quite some setting up. All the praise about how the stock setup would be so great on PRSes is defenitely not true for this one, in fact, it's pretty bad, string action is almost ridiculously high.
I mean, look at this, doesn't even need any scale for being able to tell that this is just very bad:

DGT_String_Action.jpeg


As it's not the truss rod (neck is pretty much perfectly straight), I'm actually not even sure whether the saddles offer enough leeway to fix this, so adjusting the 6 vibrato screws might be in order. That's absolutely not what I had on my bingo card when ordering a PRS that gets praised all over the net.

- They seem to know shit about ergonomics at PRS. I have no idea about how you could come up with that position for a pickup toggle switch. Yes, I will get used to it, but it's pathetic. I'm already considering to flip the switch and pot positions. Sure, it's not as bad as the rotary knob they are "famous" for, but it's just not good for fast pickup switching. Let alone they mounted it so the switching direction is pretty much sideways, which is absolutely awkward (sure, that's a 30 second fix).

- Along the same lines: Moving the pot knobs with your pinky feels pretty bad, they're slippy and the values are pretty much unreadable. The tone pot is actually fine, but both volume pots have way too much friction for these polished surface knobs to work. I will replace these asap.

I thought about playing a bit more straight after receiving it, but as it needs some setup anyway, I will now just take care about the locking tuners.

Been incredibly excited for the thing to arrive today already, but this is a real let down.
 
And fwiw, I heard some of the YTers say that this gigbag would be among their favourite ones to ship with a guitar - wtf? They surely must be paying their shills very well. It's neither particularly stable nor particularly well padded. These things sell for 30 bucks or so.
 
Managed to set things up way better without lowering the 6 main vibrato studs, but the E1 saddle is now sitting flat on the ground plate, so I will actually have to lower the studs at one point in time. Needless to say, this is an extremely bad factory setup, because the height of the ground plate should allow for adjustments in either directions.

And fwiw, their pop-in vibrato arm is way worse than how I remembered it, too. To really have no wiggling, I need to considerably tiighten the little adjustement screw. Gotoh and Wilkonson have this *way* better.

D-string slot on the nut isn't filed properly, either. Fortunately a quick thing to adress.
 
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