New modeler: Analysis paralysis (book)

[Frodebro]

I'm not going to do Fractal at this time because of the interface and price. The FM9 has a decent compliment of switches, add a volume pedal and the rig costs 2K. But it still isn't something you would want to work on. It would basically just be a pedal switcher while I worked in the PC app.

I would probably do better to get an FX3 and Behringer FCB1010 footcontroller at that point. If I'm not working on the pedal, then why even have it in pedal format?

Summary:

Fractal - Disqualified by price/interface. Why have it in a pedal format if using the editing app? Might as well get the FX3 and a foot controller at that point. FM3 does not have enough switching features, and would still be using it with the editing app. Would rather own a JP2C than a FX3 and footcontrollers. If working on computer, might as well just be using Amplitube or whatever.

TMP- Does not simulate preamps and not designed to play into tube power section. So close yet so far.

QC- Last man standing?

I use an FM9 with my band, and have an AxeFX 3 that largely stays in my cave. I have no problem navigating them from the front panel. But if it’s a deal breaker for you, that’s cool.

 

[Shredder777]

I still kind of feel you are leaning towards a tube amp but as Jarick said above and your own experience unless you are getting the volume up the advantage or that over a modelling pre diminishes IMO

I have a Laney Ironheart which I like but don't love. I can get some good sounds from it with a boost, but it has convoluted shared EQ section, no midi, and I have never got it fully integrated with my effects. Just switching it independently with its footpedal. In a recording setup nothing was recallable. It was just a mess to work with. So I had one or two sounds I liked, but I was always tweaking and changing the EQ.

I am seriously considering a JVM410 as I love high gain marshall sounds. Also would love a JP2C but expensive. Inspiration comes from a real amp. Those amps could be set up and recalled via midi and integrated with mfx pretty easily. I could be playing live in my basement and simultanteously recording a DI/IR pair.

At this point I'm wondering why even bother with direct sounds? Yes there are noise constraints, but during the day I can get to a nice loud practice volume or use my iso cab at night.

 

[Shredder777]

I use an FM9 with my band, and have an AxeFX 3 that largely stays in my cave. I have no problem navigating them from the front panel. But if it’s a deal breaker for you, that’s cool.

I'm sure you can do the things you need at a gig. But did you create the patches on the FM9 or did you do it in the software?

 

[JiveTurkey]

 

[Frodebro]

I'm sure you can do the things you need at a gig. But did you create the patches on the FM9 or did you do it in the software?

Both. Half the time I have it in the living room and futz around while watching movies. But for the most part, I just turn it on and play. All the heavy lifting of building core presets was done a long time ago. Now, it’s generally just a matter of dropping in an additional effect block as needed and that’s about it.

 

[Shredder777]

Both. Half the time I have it in the living room and futz around while watching movies. But for the most part, I just turn it on and play. All the heavy lifting of building core presets was done a long time ago. Now, it’s generally just a matter of dropping in an additional effect block as needed and that’s about it.

I'm sure its a great thing. I'm going to see what they do with their next generation. Or if they sell a "FX one" with just amp sims, I would get that because it wouldnt need a fantastic interface. It would just need two simultaneous amp models /boosts that you could switch between.

That will probably never happen though. The VP4 doesn't have the amp sims.

 

[Frodebro]

Yes and no
The Fractal footswitch that pairs with it even and FC6
Is super powerful and super versatile you can do anything w those it’s not just scrolling presets it’s like a pro style switching systems the functionality and editing options are pretty endless and they integrate so well

I still kind of feel you are leaning towards a tube amp but as Jarick said above and your own experience unless you are getting the volume up the advantage or that over a modelling pre diminishes IMO

The capabilities of the Fractal foot controllers is insane, I’ve been digging into it with my Axe3 lately. For the longest time I was living on an effects layout and using the hold function on the front row to change scenes. Now I’m using the hold function on the back row to scroll through channels on certain effects.

 

[Shredder777]

Imagine an "FX One". It would allow you to use the software to setup switchable amp pairs.

There would be two foot buttons. One of the buttons would be the amp selector (A/B). The other button would be on/off of the associated boost (pre or post amp set in software.)

The device would have ten primary banks, and a rotary switch with ten indents to choose between amps. There would be ten stock amps pre loaded, and you can load your own using the software to the ten alternate positions.

You select an amp and hold fs one, and that sets the current amp/boost to be amp1. You select another amp with the rotary and hold fs2 to assign the second amp/boost.

After that, the first button switches between amps, and the second button is boost on/off.

There would be a row of encoders and a single LCD bar showing the name/value of the encoder. BMT pres/res , gain, vol. All the advanced settings are done in the software.

It has midi selection as well. You double hold both buttons and it assigns a PC based on the next PC it receives. Done.

Why cant they do something simple like this? Everything doesn't need to have the kitchen sink.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

@Shredder777 Just to be clear: I didn‘t say you suck because you don‘t like Helix, but because of your shitty „my thread, my rules“ attitude. Like or dislike what you want.

 

[Shredder777]

@Shredder777 Just to be clear: I didn‘t say you suck because you don‘t like Helix, but because of your shitty „my thread, my rules“ attitude. Like or dislike what you want.

All of my responses were proportional to the insult given.

This was a thread about my thought process regarding modeler choice for myself, not whether anyone else thinks HX amp models are as good as Fractal/whatever. Debating that shit was not the purpose of the thread. You brought it along with a healthy portion of ad hominem.

 

[Orvillain]

This is a thread for virgins. I'm going back to the Boogie Mark threads.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

 

[Shredder777]

This is a thread forum for virgins. I'm going back to the Boogie Mark manly man threads.

 

[duzie]

OP
It surely seems like you’re conducting a class as opposed to shooting the shit with forum members

 

[makeitstop]

Yes and no
The Fractal footswitch that pairs with it even and FC6
Is super powerful and super versatile you can do anything w those it’s not just scrolling presets it’s like a pro style switching systems the functionality and editing options are pretty endless and they integrate so well

I use the FM3/FC6 combo, and the compatibility and flexibility are excellent.

I use the OMG9 layout that they developed, and it can take me from Presets to Scenes to individual effects flawlessly. It's so well organized I can get to anything I need with a couple of clicks.

 

[Frodebro]

I use the FM3/FC6 combo, and the compatibility and flexibility are excellent.

I use the OMG9 layout that they developed, and it can take me from Presets to Scenes to individual effects flawlessly. It's so well organized I can get to anything I need with a couple of clicks.

I started with the FM3/FC6 combo (bought it before the FM9 was introduced). Things escalated after that…

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

This tone chasing is horrible. Got yourself a good modeller, "nope, the amps in X are just better".

 

[Frodebro]

This tone chasing is horrible. Got yourself a good modeller, "nope, the amps in X are just better".

I think it’s more an inner conflict between the rational and emotional sides of the brain.

 

[mercifulfuzziness]

I think it’s more an inner conflict between the rational and emotional sides of the brain.

Yeah.

Rational: I don’t need anything really. Just practice more

Emotional: Let’s get real. Tone is not in the fingers. It’s in new gear.

 

[GTR37]

Yeah.

Rational: I don’t need anything really. Just practice more

Emotional: Let’s get real. Tone is not in the fingers. It’s in new gear.

It’s really the difference of
Want vs Need

Although the more time you spend in the Gear Forums
The more GAS you will have