Neural DSP - new teaser (Rabea X, nvm)

[Sascha Franck]

when people talk about having a "container" to mix and match different parts of NDSP plugins, is there really that much to gain?

IMO yes. From all I remember, NDSP plugins introduce a small number of latency on their own. Nothing too bad but possibly getting noticeable once you stack them. A container plugin would likely help avoiding that.
Personally, I also like the way things are done in the HX universe, but that's possibly mainly because I'm using the hardware, too. So once I stick to what's possible within just HX Native, I automatically know I'll be able to beam it into my Stomp (I usually use HXN in Stomp compatibility mode).
Apart from that, you could still mix and match things with a container plugin.

 

[Sascha Franck]

Plus you can work with one set of presets instead of separate presets for every plugin.

Well, I don't think that's an issue in most hosts. At least it isn't for me, I'm simply using channel strip presets.

 

[metropolis_4]

I couldn’t care less what it is. I’m just here for the memes and sarcasm

 

[Mongillo19]

Whatever it is, I hope this means that they are starting to update the unit at a faster pace, since the last update was less than a month ago.

I honestly would still only expect an update every quarter at best

 

[ian_dissonance]

when people talk about having a "container" to mix and match different parts of NDSP plugins, is there really that much to gain?

For instance, when I use Helix, I'm regularly using different plugins either side of it - sometimes because there's a specific effect I'm looking for that isn't in their software, and partly because plugins offer the freedom to combine all of your favourites. It's rare that one plugin just happens to have my favourite boost, compressor, delay, reverb, amp sim, cab engine etc.

While on the surface I can see why it seems like a good idea, I still feel like I'd just end up using other plugins too and the net benefit would end up being very small. I don't think I've ever wanted to use an NDSP plugin for JUST the delay or reverbs, or boost pedals - for delays and reverbs there is just so much choice of insanely high quality stuff out there that I never use the built in ones. The pedals are fine, but there are so many tubescreamers and rat's and big muff plugins out there that I'm not really fussed which I use. There are some very specific FX in neural plugins like the octave bits in Gojira or the synth in Rabbea but it's easy enough just to load that exact plugin if that sound is called for. I don't mind stacking 2 or more NDSP plugins together if need be - I don't think I've ever been in a situation where more than 2 was necessary.

There are other plugins that do the container thing and generally they become a bit shit in other ways - automation, MIDI control, GUI, licensing, speed all take a bit of a hit. Softube Amp Room or Amplitude are good examples of the trade offs.

TLDR; plugins are already a kind of container that allow you to mix and match WAY more freely with all your favourite stuff.

Don’t most DAWs allow you to “container” your effects chains now anyways? So you can save all your plugins in one spot and drop them in like one plugin?

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Don’t most DAWs allow you to “container” your effects chains now anyways? So you can save all your plugins in one spot and drop them in like one plugin?

Yeah exactly, DAW's tend to have channelstrip presets (I have one that assigns my I/O, colours the track, loads my favourite tuner and cab sim plugins). And there is even stuff like Waves StudioRack or Blue Cat Patchwork that can chain mutlple plugins together and have macro controls etc.

I have a few of the Softube amp sims and I basically always use the basic versions rather than amp room because for doing basic/typical things AmpRoom involves way too much faff. I can't really a see way where the trade off is worth it for NDSP, except for doing a Cortex Native plugin that can host all the different models, and allow different routing, HW compatibility etc too.

Having some kind of halfway house between the individual plugins and Cortex Native would be the worst of both IMO (or at best not really offer too much benefit).

 

[laxu]

So the issue is having to disable sections of other plugins, and then having to save presets in a DAW rather than the plugin directly?

It’s probably because I’m always mixing and matching different brands of plugins anyway, but isn’t that far superior than being locked into one brand? If the reverb in NDSP plugin A isn’t cutting it, I’d rather just go to exactly the reverb I want to use rather than picking from smaller pool.

I reckon I could build a preset on a track with 3 NDSP instances faster than I could do using 1 instance of Amplitube. But even better is mixing and matching the best aspects from different brands, it’s one of the strongest appeals of plugins over dedicated HW in the first place.

For me it's mostly about working with the same brands' stuff. I don't own any NDSP plugins but have tried most of them. But I do own a bunch of UA plugins, and although it's a different deal, I sometimes do wish I had some sort of "UA suite" where I could e.g build a rack of the stuff I want on a channel instead of having a pile of floating plugin windows on my screen that I need to manage.

I know you have DAW tools that can do some of that.

 

[GTR37]

My takeaway from this interview is that NeuralDSP is still full of shit in so many ways.

I can't help but feel the Nano Cortex is basically the NAM plugin UI stuffed into a pedal, rather than the "QC distilled to its essence" that they try to say it is in the interview. If it was a mini-QC it would have all the fx available from the bigger unit rather than...one of each category and no drives.

If it was more like the Hotone Ampero 2 Stomp, I would have bought one. That thing, despite its own flaws, makes the Nano Cortex and Kemper Player feel like straight up dated products to release in the past few years.

They are going to add a drive and more effects for sure I bet , they pretty much say it in the article nano is capable of much more , but the timeline and when as always w NDSP is a mystery

 

[laxu]

They are going to add a drive and more effects for sure I bet , they pretty much say it in the article nano is capable of much more , but the timeline and when as always w NDSP is a mystery

It's just really hard to trust them when they said a lot of stuff was "easy" on TOP when the QC released and then it took years to bring in.

I fully expect it will run into the Tonex issue where they add more stuff, but it's terrible to use because the Nano Cortex has so poor onboard editing features.

 

[Jynx]

 

[Sascha Franck]

Ist that a joke?
And: Is the E-Bow included?

 

[Jynx]

Ist that a joke?
And: Is the E-Bow included?

Is what a joke?
Doubt it.

 

[Southpaw-DD]

Was this only about converting one plug-in to X format? Yikes.

 

[Mongillo19]

Was this only about converting one plug-in to X format? Yikes.

They've done this for every X I think. Again, it was 1 day of a promo.

You all get upset about the strangest things

 

[Jarick]

This is NDSP...they will create a marketing video if someone takes a great dump in their office.

 

[holoholo]

They've done this for every X I think. Again, it was 1 day of a promo.

You all get upset about the strangest things

Tbf wasn’t this forum created so we could bitch freely about Neural?

 

[Sascha Franck]

Is what a joke?
Doubt it.

That's just a washy mess. Rabea going P&W.

 

[Southpaw-DD]

They've done this for every X I think. Again, it was 1 day of a promo.

You all get upset about the strangest things

Trust me - not upset just calling it out as lame. I just got a QC last week so I'm not a hater.

 

[Jynx]

That's just a washy mess. Rabea going P&W.

Damn! I'm not a believer or anything, but can I go to whatever church you do?

 

[Mongillo19]

Tbf wasn’t this forum created so we could bitch freely about Neural?

Oh I never said you couldn't

The flip side is if this was a new plug people would be up in arms about how they shouldn't be making new plugs and working towards PCOM or QC content

Trust me, I got banned from TOP for dissing the QC ...well more so dissing discord but alas

My only "complaint" is that we have had some users moving to the QC or trying one out. They try and start some discussion on here about it and it's just met with anger/annoyance etc. I'm all for a good QC rant but I also think there is merit in having productive discussions on it