NAM: Neural Amp Modeler

[Deleted member 490]

he is constantly creating more and more profiles, like Lucy Stein, and on a forum he also posts as Audio Transformer, I heard...

... ... ... WAIT A MINUTE! ;-)

It seems he needs more "anti-aliasing" than nam

 

[Sedaxel]

SA is a genius, no doubt about that. And NAM is, excuse me for using this f----g words, a gamechanger in guitar processing (well, in guitar as a whole).

I guess there´s no need to keep on saying that it has the best captures, and if that wasn´t enough.... it´s free. It should already be more than clear to anyone.

Comercial, or professional, use of it is what it´s less clear because of its open source nature. NAM players commercial pedals are not up to the game against other units (I/Os and most of all... UI). Also, it seems that big brands are not willing to adopt an open source solution. And computer based rigs are "delicate" to be used professionally. It can be used, no doubt about it, but it´s still not a "no worries" approach compared to an all-in-one Helix, Fractal, Kemper or QC. It opens the doors to DIY solutions such as those based on Raspberry Pi which are fantastic and deliver amp tones at the highest quality available, for little money.

Yesterday I was, again, a couple hours with my buddy and his QC preparing tones for his next proffessional tour... and I have to say it´s awesome. The captures of his Triaxis were so spot-on that it scares (using the same poweramp and cab). And he had also the chance to capture his Roland GP-8 to mimic perfectly the tones he needs in this particular tour. Yes, NAM can do it... but you need a lot more complication to take it to the stage in such a complex and proffessional tour. Effects, routing, quick and easy editing on the fly, several guitars, several outputs... etc.

It´s very interesting to see what happens with all of this and the big names. My bet is that it´s going to evolve into a more lightweight software and propietary "adaptations" by each brand. But maybe not... who knows.

 

[Audio Transformer]

Absolute garbage take, sorry to be so upfront. NAM is considered among the entire community the best in class, and will remain so for long, long time, because setting up the hardware is expensive and will hurt financially, except if some big player comes along and smahes processing power until no end in their next generation modeler. But even then, NAM will perhaps more likely will be embedded as an industry standard than anything else.

By the way, Francois was not a main contributor, but actually a very toxic and unknowing person spitting his misinformation around. He had this weird perception of anti-aliasing being the absolute worst enemy, which is total bullshit. He spammed multiple groups with his warfare against aliasing, and while at first I thought there was merit to it, but it was in the end cringe-inducing. Some of the others interested in reducing aliasing actually distanced himself it seems. He tried to ban me from his Neural Amp LABS group, to, guess what, I was reinvited.
But the worst was that he posted every.single.step in any group he could find. Even in the NAM Player group, which is totally unrelated, as the NAM Player seems to do it's own conversion of the NAM file, leading again to that weird artefacts being reintroduced.

I myself made a video in his superinput, and given what a weird dude he is, I am seriously considering removing that video from my channel, as I want no affiliation with this person, and to be fair, it is only slightly more efficient in reducing aliasing, but brings a whole can of worms (possible latency issues, longer training time, more customization, deviation from standards which are well established).

Francois was a hack, and it's good he got cast out of the community. By the way, he is constantly creating more and more profiles, like Lucy Stein, and on a forum he also posts as Audio Transformer, I heard...

... ... ... WAIT A MINUTE! ;-)

Big pig has spoken. Keep up to the point ass****. And no I’m not Francois are anyone else. We are hundred to be passionate about AI and I happen to be an engineer. Not a struggling metal big dude who promote his pathetic YouTube channel. You try to intimidate people on Facebook and probably have no life. That’s funny.

 

[2dor]

Big pig has spoken. Keep up to the point ass****. And no I’m not Francois are anyone else. We are hundred to be passionate about AI and I happen to be an engineer. Not a struggling metal big dude who promote his pathetic YouTube channel. You try to intimidate people on Facebook and probably have no life. That’s funny.

Being passionate about something doesn't have to come bundled in with throwing shade at others who may not share your enthusiasm.
I'll say that most people will look elsewhere when interests aren't aligned but they'll speak up when it goes one step beyond and names are called.
If you want to improve the aliasing performance of NAM then have at it & share your findings once you've settled on something you're definitely proud of; you'll find your audience, I'm sure.
BUT taking uncalled-for shots at Steve & other guys in the community is low & you'll probably find out (if you haven't already) that this approach will only lead to getting bashed, ridiculed & isolated.

LE: and just for the record, Pipp's channel helped me a lot for what it's worth. For instance, I managed to build a very cost-effective IEM-rack for live playing. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder; if you don't like it, look away / elsewhere.

 

[Deleted member 490]

And no I’m not Francois

Probably not even Francois is really Francois

 

[[Nathan]]

Probably not even Francois is really Francois

 

[Audio Transformer]

Probably not even Francois is really Francois

that's crazy how about those people need to make things personal in everyway. Such a detail as aliasing that Gig Pig like the metal dude will never be able to ear as his ears are auto regressively trained with his own garbage, and they are probably uncomfortable with people actually finding solutions they even don't understand the impact. That's why I never use facebook to comment anything. Just watching people fight and extract some info. But it's very rare. Even here.

 

[Audio Transformer]

Being passionate about something doesn't have to come bundled in with throwing shade at others who may not share your enthusiasm.
I'll say that most people will look elsewhere when interests aren't aligned but they'll speak up when it goes one step beyond and names are called.
If you want to improve the aliasing performance of NAM then have at it & share your findings once you've settled on something you're definitely proud of; you'll find your audience, I'm sure.
BUT taking uncalled-for shots at Steve & other guys in the community is low & you'll probably find out (if you haven't already) that this approach will only lead to getting bashed, ridiculed & isolated.

LE: and just for the record, Pipp's channel helped me a lot for what it's worth. For instance, I managed to build a very cost-effective IEM-rack for live playing. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder; if you don't like it, look away / elsewhere.

Sorry yes you're right. I can't stand Priss. When sharing with some friends about nam, then made fun of nam project seeing Priss' youtube as he clearly is an obscure and mediocre user. I'd like to see more serious and less pathetic YT channels showing nam. Like Neural DSP and Tonex can have. Or even Fractal with my friend Leon.

 

[PippPriss]

that's crazy how about those people need to make things personal in everyway. Such a detail as aliasing that Gig Pig like the metal dude will never be able to ear as his ears are auto regressively trained with his own garbage, and they are probably uncomfortable with people actually finding solutions they even don't understand the impact. That's why I never use facebook to comment anything. Just watching people fight and extract some info. But it's very rare. Even here.

First off, I am pretty small. Like 1.69m only. Secondly, yep, I am a dude promoting their "pathetic YouTube channel with under 2K subscribers", but it's not only shilling -I was there at a very early stage of NAM, same as folks like Tudor, Ed Sokolowski, Helga Behrens and others. Jean/Francois/Rock Guitaman/Lucy Stein was also one of the early folk in the group. And Aliasing never was a big deal for the most of use, and Francois indeed in the end was more bothering than helping in the community. He is one of the reasons Tonezone3000 had to implement restrictions for the Wet/Dry training, because he abused the generosity of the people running TZ3k for his own goals by running literally hundreds, if not thousands of trainings.

He has spammed multiple unrelated groups, and has sourly turned back as soon as Steve Atkinson stated that it's more important to push NAM in it's current form to an industry-standard (since it performs perfectly on more than enough parameters) than chasing claims of aliasing artefacts. While he was gushing all over NAM for years, all the sudden he went ahead into every public forum and shamed NAM, stating Axe-FX, Line6 and even ToneX are superior to NAM.

I stated before publically - I personally never had an issue when talking to him directly, but everything else which he was doing outside of those conversations were sensationalist at best, and tackling an absolute minor issue for the vast majority of players, and hyperaggressively defending it. And he continues on creating fake accounts, so speaking of "online harrassment", that's your address.
So in the end, he can go create a NAM HD and see how well that will go, especially now that his name is absolutely shit-stained. He ruined it for everybody else. If you disagree with that, that is weird, because even the people who still are interested in reducing aliasing have stepped away from him, and for your inital goal of reducing aliasing, you'd be far better off distancing yourself from Francois and getting into touch with people like Carmelo. He seems like a cool guy so far in private conversations, and actually very reasonable with his approaches, and just trying to really reduce aliasing, without hyping it. Which is cool, if it works out.

 

[PippPriss]

On a different note: NAM is love, NAM is life!

This is the setup of my band TEMPEST - super convenient, but yet loud enough to really get walls shaking. The cabinets are 2x12 Harley Benton Verticals, one with Marshall G12 Vintage I bought from The Other John Browne, and one with the regular Chinese V30s. Sounds great!

 

[jellodog]

On a different note: NAM is love, NAM is life!View attachment 39271

This is the setup of my band TEMPEST - super convenient, but yet loud enough to really get walls shaking. The cabinets are 2x12 Harley Benton Verticals, one with Marshall G12 Vintage I bought from The Other John Browne, and one with the regular Chinese V30s. Sounds great!

Finally... some gear on this forum!

 

[Deleted member 490]

I personally never had an issue when talking to him directly, but everything else which he was doing outside of those conversations were sensationalist at best, and tackling an absolute minor issue for the vast majority of players, and hyperaggressively defending it. And he continues on creating fake accounts, so speaking of "online harrassment", that's your address.
So in the end, he can go create a NAM HD and see how well that will go, especially now that his name is absolutely shit-stained. He ruined it for everybody else. If you disagree with that, that is weird, because even the people who still are interested in reducing aliasing have stepped away from him, and for your inital goal of reducing aliasing, you'd be far better off distancing yourself from Francois and getting into touch with people like Carmelo. He seems like a cool guy so far in private conversations, and actually very reasonable with his approaches, and just trying to really reduce aliasing, without hyping it. Which is cool, if it works out.

First of all, thanks for the kind words (I'm Carmelo if it wasn't clear). I share your same feelings about Francois (or whatever his real name is), I've been in touch with him for a few weeks to work on that stuff, and in private conversations he seems like a nice guy, but after finding out what he's constantly been doing for years, with multiple fake accounts always spreading misinformation and personal attacks on groups and forums, I want to distance myself from all that and I almost regret having collaborated with him, despite having some fun while doing it.
I want to stress that the idea of "super inputs" was his idea, I just helped refining it, and he's had other cool ideas too, so merit goes where it should, I don't want to "steal" any of his merits or ideas for sure.
But I find his behaviours quite creepy and I don't want to be associated in any way with that kind of stuff anymore. Also, I really don't get the reasons behind it honestly, almost looks like dissociative identity disorder sometimes.

 

[Audio Transformer]

On a different note: NAM is love, NAM is life!View attachment 39271

This is the setup of my band TEMPEST - super convenient, but yet loud enough to really get walls shaking. The cabinets are 2x12 Harley Benton Verticals, one with Marshall G12 Vintage I bought from The Other John Browne, and one with the regular Chinese V30s. Sounds great!

Sorry I didn’t read your answer about the community of facebook. I don’t want to learn all the names of the dudes spending their life trolling each others. That picture is at least more interesting.

 

[2dor]

Finally... some gear on this forum!

 

[PippPriss]

Finally... some gear on this forum!

Just trying to get away from the drama of the last pages, to which I also contributed, and make it again about what we like most - GEAR!
This setup really is genuinely awesome - it sounds good, works perfectly well together with a cabinet and feeding an IR-driven sound to our IEM-rig as well, so we are super flexible. I am really, REALLY thinking about getting ToneX One, but I am actually hesitant, because Dimehead has been SUPER quiet since a long time. I think they might have something cooking up.

I am thinking about incorporating everything into a rack case, so we as a band just need a bigger 10-12HU rack, and we're good, for any setup possible. But that involves buying rack mount wireless systems, power amps etc... let's see.

But what I really like about the NAM Player is the small form factor, combined with a very well thought out I/O panel which offers quite a lot of flexibility. It makes it easy to combine good tones with a power amp on the same small board. And of course, the sound is what the profile is. We run one profile with a JVM Joe Satriani model boosted by the Mudkiller, and I personally use a profile of my EVH5150 III on Blue channel boosted by the King in Yellow.

I think upload size is drastically reduced, otherwise I'd throw in a quick video riffing.

 

[2dor]

I am thinking about incorporating everything into a rack case, so we as a band just need a bigger 10-12HU rack, and we're good, for any setup possible. But that involves buying rack mount wireless systems, power amps etc... let's see.

You know the old saying "two is one, one is none"

 

[Deleted member 490]

And just to once again show his maturity and to confirm @Audio Transformer wasn't the same person at all... Our friend "Francois", after reading our posts here, just deleted the "NAM super inputs" facebook group that he originally created and where I was an admin too, and blocked me on fb. Sorry guys, now I'll go cry in a corner of my bedroom.

EDIT: actually the group still exists, he just banned my profile and all my pages. A clear sign he can't stand critiques and discussions.

 

[JiveTurkey]

On a different note: NAM is love, NAM is life!View attachment 39271

This is the setup of my band TEMPEST - super convenient, but yet loud enough to really get walls shaking. The cabinets are 2x12 Harley Benton Verticals, one with Marshall G12 Vintage I bought from The Other John Browne, and one with the regular Chinese V30s. Sounds great!

The Tremonti wah is

 

[2dor]

And just to once again show his maturity and to confirm @Audio Transformer wasn't the same person at all... Our friend "Francois", after reading our posts here, just deleted the "NAM super inputs" facebook group that he originally created and where I was an admin too, and blocked me on fb. Sorry guys, now I'll go cry in a corner of my bedroom.

No need to spend any time beating yourself up over this kind of stuff.

NAM's still out there & people still dig it (aliased or not).

Play some loud music and you'll be fine or (to stay in line with the forum) ...

.. buy ... more ... gear

 

[Deleted member 490]

No need to spend any time beating yourself up over this kind of stuff.

NAM's still out there & people still dig it (aliased or not).

Play some loud music and you'll be fine or (to stay in line with the forum) ...

.. buy ... more ... gear

Yeah, my post was ironic if it wasn't clear