Modelling preferences and opinions

[ian_dissonance]

Four posts before someone had an issue with the premise of not discussing preference in response to measurable data.

 

[HotRats]

Four posts before someone had an issue with the premise of not discussing preference in response to measurable data.

The issue is that gear forums are a place where almost no one care really about measurable data, let alone discussiing them.

does it chug? that's what people care about

 

[Mongillo19]

The issue is that gear forums are a place where almost no one care really about measurable data, let alone discussiing them.

does it chug? that's what people care about

Idk, people on here chat quite a bit about the data side of things

 

[HotRats]

Idk, people on here chat quite a bit about the data side of things

that's true but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majotiy of players don't care about it therefore there always be someone who will remind you that in music subjective is much more important than objective.

 

[Mongillo19]

that's true but that doesn't change the fact that the vast majotiy of players don't care about it therefore there always be someone who will remind you that in music subjective is much more important than objective.

Of course!

However, I believe a vast majority of players aren't on gear forums as well. We are definitely a niche group! I agree though, even a majority of forum members don't necessarily care about data. But those that do, you'll probably find a good amount on forums

 

[Foxmeister]

But yes, accurate and "sounds great to me" are absolutely different things.

This is how I see it. That's why I say "accuracy is a great goal for the people making the device". But it doesn't really matter that much to the user - if they are getting the tone/feel they want out of the device.

I wholeheartedly concur - whilst accuracy is great, it is not an end, in and of itself.

It's for that reason that I've often gravitated towards "original" amp models, such as the Line 6 or FAS originals, which tend to take all that's good about a particular amp or amp family, and leave out most of the undesirable stuff.

I supposed the "Hype" knob on Agoura is supposed to do the same thing, though I've not played around with it enough to have formed a complete opinion on it.

I'm completely turned off by null tests on amp profiles/captures etc for much the same reason - unless the differences between two tones are egregious, all that I really care about is whether I like the tone or not.

 

[JiveTurkey]

In some people's minds; 'perfect' is the enemy of 'good enough'. In others; it's the exact opposite.

 

[SillyOctpuss]

hahaha. Jay would run circles around me on most of this stuff. Cliff too.

That's because you haven't started drinking yet.

 

[Orvillain]

That's because you haven't started drinking yet.

It's 17:38, I'm already 1 down brah!

 

[EOengineer]

 

[crispsandwich]

I disagree

 

[Orvillain]

I disagree

I did chuckle yesterday, as I ate my crisp sandwich for lunch.

 

[GTR37]

That's because you haven't started drinking yet.

I don’t know arguing with Jay especially on IRs is like being pantsed in front of the whole school

 

[SillyOctpuss]

It's 17:38, I'm already 1 down brah!

 

[ian_dissonance]

The issue is that gear forums are a place where almost no one care really about measurable data, let alone discussiing them.

does it chug? that's what people care about

We’re literally on a forum full of people who do, though. As noted by the repeated discussions about it. Why show up with facts about peepee when it’s clearly a poopoo thread?

 

[Boudoir Guitar]

I agree with you, but also it is very hard for anyone without the insider knowledge on the tech, to truly know whether a difference is due to tolerance, or bad modelling.

I'm involved in a conversation elsewhere, where someone is insisting a model is spot on. But I have the amp. Tolerances simply would not account for the differences I am hearing.

Back when we didn’t like any of the Marshall’s in Helix folks were like “but the blind tests say it’s accurate to the model they modeled. Every Marshall is a little different.” To which I was like “okay, maybe that’s…worse? Bad modeling can be fixed but a dude who gravitates towards Marshall amps I personally think sound like crap can’t”

 

[paisleywookiee]

The Line 6 AM4 MkII Cortex is objectively the best modeler, in terms of accuracy.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

I don‘t care about accuracy. I just wanna play DOOM.

 

[Richard_G]

I can’t fathom why it seems so hard for some people to accept that

1) whether model A or model B is the most accurate representation of device C, and

2) whether one likes/prefers to use model A or model B

are two entirely different questions.

Both are valid and interesting questions. But they are entirely different questions.

 

[EOengineer]

I can’t fathom why it seems so hard for some people to accept that

1) whether model A or model B is the most accurate representation of device C, and

2) whether one likes/prefers to use model A or model B

are two entirely different questions.

Both are valid and interesting questions. But they are entirely different questions.

This.

Adding on that if the accuracy conversation is the one you’re trying to have, you’re pissing in the wind unless you come with hard data and a commitment to only that data.