Modeler for a musical?

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Hi everyone,

Intermediate player here. I'm going to be playing guitar in a high school production of School of Rock. It's most likely going to be direct. I'm generally an old-school player but I'm not afraid of using a modeler, it's just that I don't have much experience with them.

I expect I'll need a good Plexi sound along with a Deluxe Reverb and AC30. Maybe I will have to plug in an acoustic.

Current Rig:
Les Paul Special Tribute P90s, Player Tele, couple of PRS SEs
Polytune mini 3
Phase 95
ODR mini 2
Blues Driver
Carbon Copy
Vibro Champ Reverb/Blues Cube Hot

I could go the cheap route and just add a Valeton GP5 to my board. Or I could step up to a Boss GX100 or similar. I was also looking at a Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb as it could be used silently. I'm leaning toward the GX100 just to have everything I might need FX-wise built in.

I'm interested in your input and suggestions!
 
A kid played his Ibanez through a Spark and the local townies acted like he was Slash lmao - I think just your guitar and the Valeton will search you fine.
 
Hi everyone,

Intermediate player here. I'm going to be playing guitar in a high school production of School of Rock. It's most likely going to be direct. I'm generally an old-school player but I'm not afraid of using a modeler, it's just that I don't have much experience with them.

I expect I'll need a good Plexi sound along with a Deluxe Reverb and AC30. Maybe I will have to plug in an acoustic.

Current Rig:
Les Paul Special Tribute P90s, Player Tele, couple of PRS SEs
Polytune mini 3
Phase 95
ODR mini 2
Blues Driver
Carbon Copy
Vibro Champ Reverb/Blues Cube Hot

I could go the cheap route and just add a Valeton GP5 to my board. Or I could step up to a Boss GX100 or similar. I was also looking at a Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb as it could be used silently. I'm leaning toward the GX100 just to have everything I might need FX-wise built in.

I'm interested in your input and suggestions!
Your amp needs are basically the three amps in a Strymon Iridium. That might be a really good way to go. Or the Valeton, or a ToneX ONE.
 
Hi everyone,

Intermediate player here. I'm going to be playing guitar in a high school production of School of Rock. It's most likely going to be direct. I'm generally an old-school player but I'm not afraid of using a modeler, it's just that I don't have much experience with them.

I expect I'll need a good Plexi sound along with a Deluxe Reverb and AC30. Maybe I will have to plug in an acoustic.

Current Rig:
Les Paul Special Tribute P90s, Player Tele, couple of PRS SEs
Polytune mini 3
Phase 95
ODR mini 2
Blues Driver
Carbon Copy
Vibro Champ Reverb/Blues Cube Hot

I could go the cheap route and just add a Valeton GP5 to my board. Or I could step up to a Boss GX100 or similar. I was also looking at a Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb as it could be used silently. I'm leaning toward the GX100 just to have everything I might need FX-wise built in.

I'm interested in your input and suggestions!
Sounds like a fun production!

What’s your playback system? Are you going direct to PA? Guitar cab?
 
Fwiw, I played hundreds of musical shows with a Boss GT-10. Still a servicable unit, even played it on some gigs last year, running through an additional IR loader (AMT Pangaea) to pimp the sound a bit. But it likely won't work too well for "School of Rock".
 
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Hi everyone,

Intermediate player here. I'm going to be playing guitar in a high school production of School of Rock. It's most likely going to be direct. I'm generally an old-school player but I'm not afraid of using a modeler, it's just that I don't have much experience with them.

I expect I'll need a good Plexi sound along with a Deluxe Reverb and AC30. Maybe I will have to plug in an acoustic.

Current Rig:
Les Paul Special Tribute P90s, Player Tele, couple of PRS SEs
Polytune mini 3
Phase 95
ODR mini 2
Blues Driver
Carbon Copy
Vibro Champ Reverb/Blues Cube Hot

I could go the cheap route and just add a Valeton GP5 to my board. Or I could step up to a Boss GX100 or similar. I was also looking at a Tonemaster Deluxe Reverb as it could be used silently. I'm leaning toward the GX100 just to have everything I might need FX-wise built in.

I'm interested in your input and suggestions!

Music Theater is basically my main gig these days. That’s a fun show, congrats! And super simple on the tone side. I think there’s a couple ways you could go from where you’re at.

First, a couple considerations if you’ve never done theater before:

- Think ahead about how you’re going to handle switching instruments and muting the ones you’re not playing. (This show is just acoustic and electric so not too complicated on this side of things)

- You’ll want a volume pedal, or at least a way to mute yourself. Bonus if you have one volume that controls all instruments. There will be lots of times when you need to be silent while waiting for a cue and the last thing you want is to accidentally hit a string or something and ruin the scene.

The tones in this show are very straightforward classic rock inspired. A Plexi style crunch is going to be your home base and you’ll want a simple delay, a phaser, and maybe something to goose it for lead parts. You’ll also want a Fender clean sound with maybe a light overdrive option as well. I wouldn’t worry about the Vox. I know it says it in the score but something like your Blues Driver will get you what you need.

I would say first option is you’ve already got most of the sounds you need in your current amp and pedals. You might want a drive pedal option that is a little higher gain crunch than the ODR. If you like your amp you could get a load box and use it. This is what I do right now - tube amp -> Friedman Mic-No-Mo -> Suhr Reactive Load. That would give you tones from gear you’re familiar with, but you could run silent if needed, and something like a Palmer or mic-no-mo is nice so you don’t have to have an open mic.

Another option would be to get a simple amp sim pedal. Something like an Iridium, DSM Simplifier, or UA Lion/Dream. Then you could use your pedals and use that as a stand-in for your amp to go direct.

Do you know what your plan is for handling your acoustic?

Another idea that would easily handle all your electric and acoustic needs would be an HX Stomp.

I actually think you could easily cover this whole show with nothing but an HX Stomp with an expression pedal attached to control volume! It would be super compact and you can find them used for around $400 these days.

This is how I would set it up for this show:

Preset 1:
Acoustic

Preset 2:
Plexi amp with the three footswitches assigned to a boost, phaser, and delay

Preset 3:
Deluxe Reverb with the three footswitches assigned to an overdrive, chorus, reverb

Add a Volume block to each preset that is controlled by the expression pedal, so you’ll have one volume pedal to control all sounds.

Plug your electric into the Input and your acoustic into the Aux Input and your instrument switching will be automatic so you can just leave everything plugged in all the time and it instantly mutes the instrument you’re not playing.
 
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Another contender might be a Hotone Ampero II. Dual inputs (nice for acoustic guitars), built in EXP pedal, built in DI box, easy touchscreen editing, decent sounds.
 
I played in a high school production of this musical last year. Super fun show!

I had a simple setup: Fender Pro Jr + a few pedals (one of which was a Stomp). To simplify further, I played the acoustic parts on a clean-ish electric sound.

Trickiest part for us was matching time with the actors/kids band that played on stage, with the drummer a good 40 ft away from the pit band, lol.

Have fun! Definitely a fun musical for the rock guitar player. :rawk
 
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Fwiw, if possible, I'd always try to go that route.
Sure, in a professional production, you need to deliver things as expected, but there should be more leeway in a high school performance.

For me it really depends on the context of the show. If it’s just strumming chords in a dense mix that can work, but the attack and note body and decay is all wrong for finger style and single note lines.

It also depends on how prominent the acoustic is. You’re not gonna get through a production of Hadestown on an electric!

But sometimes you have issues like space considerations in the pit that force you to consolidate instruments.

Also, some people really enjoy playing their acoustic instruments and choose to do so whenever possible
 
OP here, thanks for all the replies.

FWIW I was in Hadestown last year and it was very challenging but loads of fun. I used my Martin 00015m and a Shure SM57. Simple setup but the capo changes were stressful!

We will be going direct, no amps. I need to try the line out on my Blues Cube (since it can be used with the speaker silenced). If that sounds good I may just roll with it. I'm tempted to just roll back the vol on the guitar for the acoustic parts as that's my usual MO anyway.

If the line out is sub-optimal I'll be looking at the Valeton GP5/GP50 etc, maybe even HX Stomp since I could have an acoustic plugged in at the same time. I know that changes will be quick and I have to be on top of everything.

I've been listening and playing with the soundtrack for a few months now so I have a good grasp on the main songs. Just need to get comfy with all the diff arrangements and variations of songs. I'm also going to scan the score so I can have it on an ipad with bluetooth page turner.

Thanks again!
 
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