Marshall Pedals (Anderton's)

Most new gear videos has been posted in the NAMM thread, including this one :)
 
Better to have separate threads for discussing these.

They look ugly in the video too.

I also think plugging these pedals into a Plexi and Marshall 4x12 is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. To me these are something you'd put into a Deluxe Reverb or Twin to get a Marshall style tone out of a clean channel.
 
laxu said:
Better to have separate threads for discussing these.

They look ugly in the video too.

I also think plugging these pedals into a Plexi and Marshall 4x12 is doing a lot of the heavy lifting. To me these are something you'd put into a Deluxe Reverb or Twin to get a Marshall style tone out of a clean channel.
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Put them in front of a Jazz Chorus, a Bandit or something. That would be really interesting.
 
Kind of wish these were more in the style of the IRX stuff, the solid state AIAB pedals always feel like a bit of a halfway house to me. I’d have been all over a 1:1 Jubilee/JVM/SLX/2210 preamp, where I don’t necessarily love the amp (enough to own the whole head) but I can make use of existing poweramps to have them on hand.
 
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BahamaDada said:
Put them in front of a Jazz Chorus, a Bandit or something. That would be really interesting.
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laxu said:
To me these are something you'd put into a Deluxe Reverb or Twin to get a Marshall style tone out of a clean channel.
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Even if you run a proper Marshall head into these kinds of amps, they’ll sound like shit and nothing like a Marshall because the “Marshall” sound is as much down to Celestions and (typically) a 4x12.

Trying to make a small Fender combo sound like a Marshall is going to have very limited results, I don’t really see the point.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Even if you run a proper Marshall head into these kinds of amps, they’ll sound like shit and nothing like a Marshall because the “Marshall” sound is as much down to Celestions and (typically) a 4x12.

Trying to make a small Fender combo sound like a Marshall is going to have very limited results, I don’t really see the point.
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Oh I'm fully aware of that. But it's an acceptable compromise if you want a "Marshall-ish" tone out of a Fender. That's what these sort of pedals are made for IMO so Marshall pedal on Marshall seems redundant.

Works both ways: Those Fender based clean channels on various amps will never sound fully like them if you are using V30s, Greenbacks etc instead of Jensens, Oxfords.
 
laxu said:
Oh I'm fully aware of that. But it's an acceptable compromise if you want a "Marshall-ish" tone out of a Fender. That's what these sort of pedals are made for IMO so Marshall pedal on Marshall seems redundant.

Works both ways: Those Fender based clean channels on various amps will never sound fully like them if you are using V30s, Greenbacks etc instead of Jensens, Oxfords.
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Absolutely. I think given the fact literally everything about the signal chain is different, and that the pedals aren’t even the same circuit as the real thing, it’s just better to find an OD or boost of your liking and dial it in with your ears. But maybe that’s just me…. At least with the IR-X style things, they can be used standalone/direct - I think being able to expand existing (similar) amps is the thing that appeals to me most with preamp pedals.

These sort of fall in the same camp of products as the 20W heads - stuff for people to collect that says the classic model names and numbers on them. Gear pokémon rather than something really useful.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Even if you run a proper Marshall head into these kinds of amps, they’ll sound like shit and nothing like a Marshall because the “Marshall” sound is as much down to Celestions and (typically) a 4x12.

Trying to make a small Fender combo sound like a Marshall is going to have very limited results, I don’t really see the point.
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Yeah, I know, but it would be a) way more honest and b) thus way more fun to twist and bend a distinctive tone (Fender) into another (Marshall). Making a Marshall sound Marshall is pretty... superflous.

But we both know that's not good for marketing and somewhere down the line only a "free" YT (without relations to Marshall) will do that.

EDIT: Just saw Laxu replied pretty much the same. We are all agreeing with each other I guess. Cheers 🍻
 
BahamaDada said:
Ouch, I hope they felt that in Milton Keynes.
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I’m not saying they shouldn’t do it, it’s what people want and it’s clearly working for them. Products being good or making sense isn’t really THAT important if it’s something people part with cash on. And there’s so many other brands eating Marshalls lunch with this kind of stuff, they may as well offer it.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Absolutely. I think given the fact literally everything about the signal chain is different, and that the pedals aren’t even the same circuit as the real thing, it’s just better to find an OD or boost of your liking and dial it in with your ears. But maybe that’s just me…. At least with the IR-X style things, they can be used standalone/direct - I think being able to expand existing (similar) amps is the thing that appeals to me most with preamp pedals.

These sort of fall in the same camp of products as the 20W heads - stuff for people to collect that says the classic model names and numbers on them. Gear pokémon rather than something really useful.
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Yeah "amp in a box" type pedals have never appealed to me much for that reason. I'd rather shape what I've got than try to turn it into something else because that's never gonna work out mostly due to the speaker cab. Like sure, you can run e.g a Mesa Rectifier into a Greenback cab and it will sound just fine, but it won't be the iconic sound of Recto + V30s for example.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
I’m not saying they shouldn’t do it, it’s what people want and it’s clearly working for them. Products being good or making sense isn’t really THAT important if it’s something people part with cash on. And there’s so many other brands eating Marshalls lunch with this kind of stuff, they may as well offer it.
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Yes, but I am still waiting for that JVM-successor, too. A real new flagship. Thing is almost 20 years old.
 
BahamaDada said:
Yes, but I am still waiting for that JVM-successor, too. A real new flagship. Thing is almost 20 years old.
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Based on their recent years...it's not gonna happen unless they hire some outside contractor to design it for them. It seems like most of the design talent is gone and Marshall is just recycling their old classics into various formats.

They had a real chance to make modded Marshalls the go-tos for that sort of thing, but I just don't see why I'd ever even consider one over a bunch of other brands that just do that thing better.

I'd love to be proven wrong.
 
laxu said:
I'd love to be proven wrong.
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Me too, but I guess for Marshall is for my the same Gibson is (for a long time): A big corp, lead by corp-dudes and no welfare. Makes me lose interest.

Lucky for me the market is so broad and deep and awesome.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Trying to make a small Fender combo sound like a Marshall is going to have very limited results, I don’t really see the point.
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Interesting point.

In this recent clip of mine getting very close to the album tone, I have a Friedman BEODD (very much Marshall flavored) running into a vintage, all-original '66 Fender Deluxe... but it's loaded down with a Suhr RL and finally a Two Notes Torpedo CAB M using either Greenbacks or Blackbacks (don't remember).

So the chain:

guitar
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Friedman BEODDD
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'66 Fender Deluxe
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Suhr RL
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Torpedo CAB M (Celestion Blackbacks or Greenbacks)
|
DAW

 
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