Line 6 Helix Stadium

[ChordInversion]

Back on the device itself: What are people hoping for in the initial Agoura amp lineup?

I'd really love a great AC30 or other EL84 amp (say, a Matchless), and I'd love a good Line6 original with the Agoura modeling technique.

 

[sashimi]

Back on the device itself: What are people hoping for in the initial Agoura amp lineup?

I'd really love a great AC30 or other EL84 amp (say, a Matchless), and I'd love a good Line6 original with the Agoura modeling technique.

I’d be interested in hearing how much better some of my favorite newer ones can be, like the grammatico gsg, the super reverb, or the bogner ecstasy. They are already really good so maybe there’s not as much room for improvement though?

Id love an updated whowatt, and agreed on the ac30. Id love an agoura tweed like the fullerton or the grammatico lg.

 

[[Nathan]]

If they think the demand is coming from captures, they'd likely put the resources back into captures.

History suggests not really, generally speaking once captures are added its pretty set and forget. Kemper took how long to bring out some updates? ToneX had one update a couple months after launch and its been 2 years since. I dont think QC has had any upgrades in captures. I don't think captures really warrant that much upgrading once its in there. If it's on par with NAM its already in the acceptable range for most people that could last a generation of that device.

If anything being able to run captures across the helix stadium range just sells more units.... and that money goes back into... you guessed it, the helix ecosystem aka more models.

I'll likely never use the showcase features but its cool they're there if the need arises, i'll just rationally ignore it when im not using it.

 

[TubeStack]

The subject of profiling has become the wettest fucking blanket this forum has ever seen. Whether it's an unhealthy addiction to absolute accuracy or blissfully wandering around unaware your alias ridden palm mutes actually sound like deformed blasts of diarrhea; the subject is a scourge on our daily conversational endeavors.

Boo, I say. BOO!

 

[GTR37]

Back on the device itself: What are people hoping for in the initial Agoura amp lineup?

I'd really love a great AC30 or other EL84 amp (say, a Matchless), and I'd love a good Line6 original with the Agoura modeling technique.

The AC30 is there , Divided by 13 , DrZ or matchless would all be cool

On heavier side 5153, SLO , Recto ,Friedman

 

[riffy]

The subject of profiling has become the wettest fucking blanket this forum has ever seen. Whether it's an unhealthy addiction to absolute accuracy or blissfully wandering around unaware your alias ridden palm mutes actually sound like deformed blasts of diarrhea; the subject is a scourge on our daily conversational endeavors.

Boo, I say. BOO!

I have a huge unhealthy addiction to

 

[mbenigni]

Can you capture a trumpet?

Shut up and take my money.

 

[mikah912]

The AC30 is there , Divided by 13 , DrZ or matchless would all be cool

On heavier side 5153, SLO , Recto ,Friedman

Don't forget the ENGL Fireball. It's unstoppable.

 

[laxu]

The two additional push-encoders below the screen are obvious, but the additional shortcut buttons were chosen specifically because they speed up operation during the heat of a gig. I've gotten pushback on the dedicated XY controller button (to the right of Save): "Why waste a button on a feature many people won't use?" My answer is those who do use it won't want to dive into menus to get to it, specifically because it's a feature designed for performance.

Same with the dedicated output buttons. You shouldn't need to navigate the touchscreen at all to adjust the 1/4" vs. XLR vs. Phones levels.

I really appreciate this. One of my big beefs with many modelers on the market is how much time it takes to get to stuff when you need to adjust. Doesn't matter if it is at home or at a gig. If it takes a lot of menuing to do something simple, it becomes a chore.

Always liked the Amp button on Helix, as well as the capacitive footswitches. Those did a lot of work to make it easy to use despite not having a touchscreen.

I think more people will also give the XY controller a try because it's easy to access rather than something buried deep.

Line6 would do well to make some educational videos at release that show where you could use it. The hard part of any controller whether it's MIDI, Fractal's modifiers or the Stadium XY is to come up with the usecase. It's just hard to imagine what to do with it until you come up with a concrete problem looking for a solution. "How about these things" videos would help give people ideas and "Wait, it can do that?" moments.

 

[HotRats]

Line6 would do well to make some educational videos at release that show where you could use it. The hard part of any controller whether it's MIDI, Fractal's modifiers or the Stadium XY is to come up with the usecase. It's just hard to imagine what to do with it until you come up with a concrete problem looking for a solution. "How about these things" videos would help give people ideas and "Wait, it can do that?" moments.

Totally agree with you on this.

I mix all day, every day, using protools, an avid control surface and the ipad app and over the years, I have found my way to get the most out of them for my workflow.

I tought students how to use protools and control surfaces for several years and I saw how lost they are in the beginning and how much I had to fight against their tendency to reach for the mouse.

Most of the people are scared or simply lazy and need to be pushed and guided.

 

[laxu]

Totally agree with you on this.

I mix all day, every day, using protools, an avid control surface and the ipad app and over the years, I have found my way to get the most out of them for my workflow.

I tought students how to use protools and control surfaces for several years and I saw how lost they are in the beginning and how much I had to fight against their tendency to reach for the mouse.

Most of the people are scared or simply lazy and need to be pushed and guided.

Part of that is the barrier to getting it all running like you want. I can just see a student's eyes glaze over as you talk about "well you just need to do the MIDI mapping for these plugins then save it as a template..."

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Part of that is the barrier to getting it all running like you want. I can just see a student's eyes glaze over as you talk about "well you just need to do the MIDI mapping for these plugins then save it as a template..."

EUCON doesn’t need anything like that involving MIDI or mapping things, its tight integration is a huge benefit over other integrations. IMO most of the benefits aren’t really to do with controlling plugins with it, even though it can.

I think lots of the issues people have is when they try and use things without understanding what the benefit is, and then they just go back to using a mouse because it makes more sense. The best way of using that stuff is when you aren’t even thinking about it, you just intuitively reach and do it

 

[Chocol8]

You might want to delete that and read the read it or weep rules thread.

 

[LCW]

Can you capture a trumpet?

Called a Fart pedal.

 

[Perrymusica]

Back on the device itself: What are people hoping for in the initial Agoura amp lineup?

I'd really love a great AC30 or other EL84 amp (say, a Matchless), and I'd love a good Line6 original with the Agoura modeling technique.

I would like some new Brit trem, Brit jump and Brit plexi with the modeling quality of the 2203

 

[Byrdman]

%That might be the case for sure.

My feeling is that stadium features, UI workflow and overall user experience will be extremely good.

OG Helix has already become an incredible machine over the years and I'm sure that Line6 really put a lot of effort in making something even better.

The simple fact that they added a touchscreen but at the same time added more knobs and buttons is a strong good sign in my book.

I agree and making it in a smaller footprint, which I think is great.

I have been watching the videos talking about the features and although I would love to have the Stadium, TBH, I would not use 90% of what's in there like many have been saying, but I would love to mess with the capturing, have the Agora amps, UI, etc. Same with the current Helix, I wouldnt use most of whats in there, but having additional blocks vs my Stomp XL would have been nice a few times. The used prices on Helix LT's are starting to look tempting to me though...

For example, our singer has an Engl Fireball 25 that he insisted I check out and I absolutely loved some of the sounds I got out of it, but not really enough to go out an buy one, but if I had the Stadium, I could capture those and move on.

I'm going to assume that eventually they will have a Stomp version of the flagship and for what I do, should be more than plenty.

 

[DLC86]

You might want to delete that and read the read it or weep rules thread.

Oh, didn't see that thread until you mentioned it... Kinda hard rules (and not sure my post actually breaks them) but I can get why that was necessary

 

[Byrdman]

Oh, didn't see that thread until you mentioned it... Kinda hard rules but I can get why that was necessary

overall its good for the community here. IMO, being able to police ourselves with the rules spelled out you never have to worry about the goalposts moving around or who is going to get their panties in a wad over something stupid. Before I found this place, at TOP, I got a weeks vacation poking a little fun at someone's really ugly guitar and I never saw that in the rules, so fuck them...

 

[DLC86]

overall its good for the community here. IMO, being able to police ourselves with the rules spelled out you never have to worry about the goalposts moving around or who is going to get their panties in a wad over something stupid. Before I found this place, at TOP, I got a weeks vacation poking a little fun at someone's really ugly guitar and I never saw that in the rules, so fuck them...

If that guy was so sensitive to report a joke about his guitar looks, he was probably affected by what I call SDS (Small Dick Syndrome). That's quite endemic on TOP (mods included).

Anyway, personally I would love a forum section where we could freely (but respectfully and humourously) talk about politics or religion, I think it might offer an interesting perspective given the great variety of views that people on this forum, coming from several different parts of the world, might have.
It's not like on social media where you can basically only find echo chambers confined to a specific party and/or world region.
But I also understand that could easily become a nightmare for the mods...

 

[HotRats]

I agree and making it in a smaller footprint, which I think is great.

I have been watching the videos talking about the features and although I would love to have the Stadium, TBH, I would not use 90% of what's in there like many have been saying, but I would love to mess with the capturing, have the Agora amps, UI, etc. Same with the current Helix, I wouldnt use most of whats in there, but having additional blocks vs my Stomp XL would have been nice a few times. The used prices on Helix LT's are starting to look tempting to me though...

For example, our singer has an Engl Fireball 25 that he insisted I check out and I absolutely loved some of the sounds I got out of it, but not really enough to go out an buy one, but if I had the Stadium, I could capture those and move on.

I'm going to assume that eventually they will have a Stomp version of the flagship and for what I do, should be more than plenty.

I understand your reasoning.

Currently I'm in a band where I'm not even using the OG Helix floor in 4cm therefore I don't see myself buying a stadium anytime soon if things stay the same.

But if it happens that I'll need to go back to an Helix + Amp rig or a full Helix one I'd certainly think about a stadium.

Even if I might never use showcase in a live situation (and I'd love to use it, honestly), just having more blocks, more paths and 2 stomp pages makes stadium worth the price Imho.

the 2 stomp pages (somenthing I've asked to add to the OG Helix since the they introduced the new command center) is fucking awesome and even if doesn't sound that cool compared to Agoura or Proxy I'm sure anyone who gigs will realize how useful and powerful that is.

2 pages with the added block count and path flexibility will make the stadium really great for big and flexible kitchen sink presets.