Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

I was pondering how would I rate the stadium? as compaired to what? At this point I admit it really is in its own stand alone class. Best in class if for no other reason than its current and rapidly expanding features. Thats not a dig at any other related gear, but a tip of the hat to L6
 
Granted, and no arguement.

I suspect that there are MANY more people who DON'T have the amp to compare the capture to. Their guitar, amp/speaker system will also color the tone for them. For these people, the ability to tweak to something that sounds good is more important than accuracy (as long as we are talking a decent accuracy where the starting point isn't awful).

Really though, there is a philosophical debate to be had. Why have a capture at all if a modeler gives you better results to your ears? Certainly there are more than enough Axe III Fx users out there that would agree with this statement.

I do think that Kemper really had this part down pretty well with their Liquid Profiling update. It made it easier to tweak and get the tone to what your ears said was "great tone". NAM, which is the undisputed capture accuracy king, seems to be the weakest in tweaking .... or modeling after the fact while Kemper seems to be the best.

But .... if all you care about is getting to "your tone" it's entirely possible that modelers are better at it overall since tweaking has been their focus for decades ..... while for capture "tweaking" is an after-thought until recently.

Completely agree .... except about the Pod ;).

The Pod didn't actually sound good, and no amount of tweaking could get you to a live sound that was as pleasing as a good tube amp (unless you were only doing clean).

Today's modelers and capture/profilers/cloners, all appear quite capable of creating tube amp live quality in the mix. It's pretty much "pick your poison" to me. Other factors are now becoming the differentiation. Line 6 has obviously figured this out ..... which is why we have Stadium!

Still looking for that first Stadium Null test though. Is there some kind of embargo going on that I am not aware of? LOTS of video's showing A/B/C comparisons with Stadium, tube amp, and others, but not a single NULL test I can find.

I have to admit, my only interest in finding the NULL test data on the Stadium is that I want to make the points I am making here. Once you achieve a certain level of accuracy in a capture device, many other factors and features drive the buying decision.

The Pod sounded (and still sounds) great- even compared to modern stuff. It wouldn't have been used by professionals if it was shit.
 
Yeah the “beans” and Amp Farm was used on many albums we love. I think in our community, especially on forums, we get to into minutia in tone that’s probably irrelevant. Also I think we have ideas like, if it’s newer digital tech it has to be better when it comes to modeling but in a mix that stuff probably really doesn’t matter either. I know I’m guilty.

I was genuinely shocked when i found out A Perfect Circle's Mer de Noms was all Pod Farm. Some of the best recorded amp tones of that era IMHO.
 
I've tried doing my first clones today - it's a fuzz pedal I built around 15 years ago.

It's basically a fuzz face with some old low-ish gain germaniums I got hold of and a few other tweaks based on schematics I found. I plain can't remember exactly what I did when I built it as it's a while back but I like it.

The cloning process is really easy. What I did notice? When I did the a/b bit when it was done, the clone sounded just a touch darker so I ended up adding 0.7db to the treble. When I did that is sounded pretty much bang on in the a/b comparison immediately after I'd made the clone.

When I then put the fuzz up-front of the stadium to a/b it, I noticed that my clone was a little too bright. Maybe the loop is adding just a touch to the top end??? I need to play more with this - might just have been my inexperienced arse doing something weird. Anyway, I deleted the clones I'd made and did it again. This time, I left them alone (no tweaks) and they're really, really close IMO.

In terms of clean up - the clone weirdly acts in a broadly similar way to the original plugged into the stadium. I played a little with taking the input impedance down - it does make a massive difference but (for reasons I don't understand) the clone does a half decent job of doing what the box does without me farting about with the input z.

I'll put them in the presets thread shortly as this one is a bit long!
 
I've tried doing my first clones today - it's a fuzz pedal I built around 15 years ago.

It's basically a fuzz face with some old low-ish gain germaniums I got hold of and a few other tweaks based on schematics I found. I plain can't remember exactly what I did when I built it as it's a while back but I like it.

The cloning process is really easy. What I did notice? When I did the a/b bit when it was done, the clone sounded just a touch darker so I ended up adding 0.7db to the treble. When I did that is sounded pretty much bang on in the a/b comparison immediately after I'd made the clone.

When I then put the fuzz up-front of the stadium to a/b it, I noticed that my clone was a little too bright. Maybe the loop is adding just a touch to the top end??? I need to play more with this - might just have been my inexperienced arse doing something weird. Anyway, I deleted the clones I'd made and did it again. This time, I left them alone (no tweaks) and they're really, really close IMO.

In terms of clean up - the clone weirdly acts in a broadly similar way to the original plugged into the stadium. I played a little with taking the input impedance down - it does make a massive difference but (for reasons I don't understand) the clone does a half decent job of doing what the box does without me farting about with the input z.

I'll put them in the presets thread shortly as this one is a bit long!
kudos building your own 👍
 
Yeah the “beans” and Amp Farm was used on many albums we love. I think in our community, especially on forums, we get to into minutia in tone that’s probably irrelevant. Also I think we have ideas like, if it’s newer digital tech it has to be better when it comes to modeling but in a mix that stuff probably really doesn’t matter either. I know I’m guilty.
The Downward Spiral ('94) is in my top 10 albums of all time and it relied heavily on the Zoom 9030 and pedals direct into the console. Some absolutely brutally abrasive non-dad rock tones on that record.
 
kudos building your own 👍

At the time I built it, I liked the look of the Analogman Sunlion pedal (which is based on a rangemaster feeding into a sunface fuzz, both sides with a few changes IIRC) but I couldn't afford one. So I had a go at building something similar. The range master side of the one I built is super noisy and not in a good way! But I like the fuzz - it's the right hand side of the picture below.

I made quite a few pedals back then - mostly dirt boxes / fuzz but I did make an octaver which was quite cool. Others included a D*A*M Meathead (I like that thing - it's a one-knob silicone fuzz), a couple of Catlinbread pedals. I mostly got the boards from a website called Mad Bean - they're still going and the boards aren't expensive. Fun things to build.

Not sure why my LED's have sunk into the case here but you get the idea :)


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