Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

[sashimi]

That's not to say I don't have my own quibbles. Personally, I'd like them to implement channels on every block like Fractal does, but they do their best not to outright copy functionality competitors had first.

As much as I respect that approach, sometimes it is to their own detriment. Helix/stadium could really benefit from global blocks and channels, even if they have to come up with new names and unique ways to implement them.

 

[ian_dissonance]

As much as I respect that approach, sometimes it is to their own detriment. Helix/stadium could really benefit from global blocks and channels, even if they have to come up with new names and unique ways to implement them.

After using the Boss stuff for the last year global blocks/stompbox/user block presets that follow across patches is something whatever I buy next will have. If I’m at the rehearsal spot and a I want to adjust my main live dirt sound, being able to do it on one preset and have the same change appear on all my live presets is sooooo much better than going preset to preset just to turn the gain down, or turn the reverb mix up. After having the functionality it honestly seems kind of silly all of these devices don’t have something similar.

 

[DG80]

Respectfully, I would think with a purchase of this magnitude.... you'd do extensive research into how they implement usability for all of your individual use cases.

And Digital Igloo was readily available here and elsewhere for questions from mid-June all the way to the late November launch.

That's not to say I don't have my own quibbles. Personally, I'd like them to implement channels on every block like Fractal does, but they do their best not to outright copy functionality competitors had first.

But it's not a disappointment to me that they don't have it. I knew well before buying. My advice to you is to specifically sketch out how you want setlists to be implemented differently, then tag him here. That's a feature request that'll go into a large backlog, and hopefully enough people echo it.

Good for you. 'Respectfully' of course.

 

[sashimi]

And I will say… if they can’t come up with new unique ways to implement these features, they shouldn’t leave them out just for the sake of being original. NDSP basically got away with copying their whole signal flow and graphic interface. Nobody is going to complain if Stadium adopts some quality of life improvements that someone else thought of first.

 

[AlbertA]

And I will say… if they can’t come up with new unique ways to implement these features, they shouldn’t leave them out just for the sake of being original.

I mean if Proxy is any indication, as long as there enough demand they seem willing to do that sort of thing.

 

[mikah912]

And I will say… if they can’t come up with new unique ways to implement these features, they shouldn’t leave them out just for the sake of being original. NDSP basically got away with copying their whole signal flow and graphic interface. Nobody is going to complain if Stadium adopts some quality of live improvements that someone else thought of first.

Yeah, I don't know what the sticking point is on global blocks, honestly. I see Ideascale requests, threads at other forums and more dating back to 2019.

They know some people want this. They know people want channels-like block flexibility too. Hopefully they're just racking their brains for how to put a unique twist on it.

I get it for cover band gigs, although I stopped doing a preset per song eons ago. Was just too much to keep up with. But I get why it's so critical for some.

 

[molul]

Resource management can be annoying. Here’s an example: I pulled up a factory preset that was described as being designed for a 7 or 8 string. With my 6 string in my lap, I figured this was a good time to try the Poly Capo. Well there isn’t enough DSP on the first path

May I ask which blocks were there before trying to add the Poly capo? Just a picture would be enough. I usually have cluttered presets and I expected Stadium to be able to run more stuff.

That's not to say I don't have my own quibbles. Personally, I'd like them to implement channels on every block like Fractal does, but they do their best not to outright copy functionality competitors had first.

I didn't know this was a sacred rule. What's Proxy then?

And I will say… if they can’t come up with new unique ways to implement these features, they shouldn’t leave them out just for the sake of being original

100%^1000*1000 agreed. I doubt any user would complain about a feature just because it was invented by some other brand. Unless the whole product is made of copies and has absolutely nothing original.

Naming the feature differently would be more than enough, at least for me.

 

[eggpl@nt]

May I ask which blocks were there before trying to add the Poly capo? Just a picture would be enough. I usually have cluttered presets and I expected Stadium to be able to run more stuff.

This is the preset in its entirety.

What I wanted to do was to swap the Volume block out for a Poly Capo. I don't have the XL, so the Volume block is the first to get jettisoned if I ever want to free up a space. But that won't work. You have to first unload the top lane, then you can instantiate both the Pitch Wham and the Poly Capo blocks even within the same lane, as shown below.

This is my gripe. First, it seems like a rather unoptimized preset, given Helix's lane-based DSP allocation limitations. It doesn't make any sense to cram the top lane full of shit and leave the bottom lane empty. Second, it's not that the preset can't handle both Pitch blocks, but I have to play blocks musical chairs in order to work around the DSP limitations for each lane.

 

[Deadpan]

The speaker impacts the behavior of the tube amp, but the amp doesn't change the impedance curve of the speaker. The cab and even room placement can change the SIC, but amp is not an issue.

Not an expert here but, chapgpt disagrees.

"Yes — the shape of the speaker’s impedance curve has a major effect on how a tube power amp behaves, and different amp circuits respond to it in noticeably different ways."

 

[Chocol8]

Not an expert here but, chapgpt disagrees.

"Yes — the shape of the speaker’s impedance curve has a major effect on how a tube power amp behaves, and different amp circuits respond to it in noticeably different ways."

Chat agrees with what I said. SIC impacts the amp, The amp does not impact the SIC.

 

[Deadpan]

Chat agrees with what I said. SIC impacts the amp, The amp does not impact the SIC.

Apologies, flu has me a bit under.

Another way to look at it, the model would have to interpret the sic when loaded to determine how the amp should react to the sic. This should be measurable.

My original curiosity was, has anyone measured and verified the effect on the output with modelers vs real tube amps?

Where is the SIC loaded in Stadium?

TMP loads it with the cab I hear?

 

[Chocol8]

My suspicion is that they are mostly just capturing the frequency response from the SIC and are not modeling the full impact of the SIC in the tubes but that is based on things I have read, not tested.

 

[guyonthefox]

How do you set up external amp changing on Stadium based on Snapshot?

I had it figured on the OG, but when I ported it over it no longer works.

I'd like for Snapshots 1-4 to be Clean and 5-8 to be Distorted.

I can get it to change the channel based on a single button, just not when I switch snapshots.

(I wish the Editor still had all the assignments listed for each button so quickly see what was what)

 

[Enchilada Jones]

As much as I respect that approach, sometimes it is to their own detriment. Helix/stadium could really benefit from global blocks and channels, even if they have to come up with new names and unique ways to implement them.

I don’t know how easy this would be for them to do but if they could have it so you could favorite blocks like you do presets…give it a star….then make a global switch that says ‘favorites are also global’ or ‘not global’

 

[Richard_G]

After using the Boss stuff for the last year global blocks/stompbox/user block presets that follow across patches is something whatever I buy next will have. If I’m at the rehearsal spot and a I want to adjust my main live dirt sound, being able to do it on one preset and have the same change appear on all my live presets is sooooo much better than going preset to preset just to turn the gain down, or turn the reverb mix up. After having the functionality it honestly seems kind of silly all of these devices don’t have something similar.

I'd love to have global blocks in both Line 6 and Fractal hardware.

 

[molul]

This is the preset in its entirety.

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What I wanted to do was to swap the Volume block out for a Poly Capo. I don't have the XL, so the Volume block is the first to get jettisoned if I ever want to free up a space. But that won't work. You have to first unload the top lane, then you can instantiate both the Pitch Wham and the Poly Capo blocks even within the same lane, as shown below.

View attachment 59289

This is my gripe. First, it seems like a rather unoptimized preset, given Helix's lane-based DSP allocation limitations. It doesn't make any sense to cram the top lane full of shit and leave the bottom lane empty. Second, it's not that the preset can't handle both Pitch blocks, but I have to play blocks musical chairs in order to work around the DSP limitations for each lane.

I mean, I'm seeing:

-Volume block
-Wah
-Drive
-Another drive?
-Amp (Agoura?)
-Another amp (Agoura too?)
-Dual cab?
-Modulation
-Modulation
-EQ
-Delay
-Reverb

All that, having two amps already, it makes sense to me that it won't allow a Poly pitch in path 1.

Then you moved all the stuff from the first modulation block to path and you were able to place Poly pitch and Pitch whammy in the same lane as the two (presumably Agoura) amps and the dual cabs? Then that's quite more horsepower than I expected.

I thought you previously meant you couldn't put an Agoura amp and a poly pitch in the same path. With some reorganization, that looks like a pretty powerful preset. And you still have room for more blocks in path 2.

Btw, was I dreaming of was it said back in June that there was a new better way (implemented or on development) of internally distributing DSP so blocks are not necessarily attached to their lanes and you can use both paths full DSP?

 

[ccc118]

How do you set up external amp changing on Stadium based on Snapshot?

I had it figured on the OG, but when I ported it over it no longer works.

I'd like for Snapshots 1-4 to be Clean and 5-8 to be Distorted.

I can get it to change the channel based on a single button, just not when I switch snapshots.

(I wish the Editor still had all the assignments listed for each button so quickly see what was what)

Make sure you have snapshot bypass switched on for the amps you're trying to change.

 

[eggpl@nt]

I mean, I'm seeing:

-Volume block
-Wah
-Drive
-Another drive?
-Amp (Agoura?)
-Another amp (Agoura too?)
-Dual cab?
-Modulation
-Modulation
-EQ
-Delay
-Reverb

All that, having two amps already, it makes sense to me that it won't allow a Poly pitch in path 1.

Then you moved all the stuff from the first modulation block to path and you were able to place Poly pitch and Pitch whammy in the same lane as the two (presumably Agoura) amps and the dual cabs? Then that's quite more horsepower than I expected.

I thought you previously meant you couldn't put an Agoura amp and a poly pitch in the same path. With some reorganization, that looks like a pretty powerful preset. And you still have room for more blocks in path 2.

Btw, was I dreaming of was it said back in June that there was a new better way (implemented or on development) of internally distributing DSP so blocks are not necessarily attached to their lanes and you can use both paths full DSP?

I don’t know what L6 plans to do or even can do with respect to DSP allotment.

I do want to make sure I’m clear in my critique. I’m not commenting on the processing power on a per preset basis - it’s plenty for anything I’d want to do. It’s the act of balancing both the lane DSP and overall preset DSP that can be annoying at times. This was just a front-of-mind example since it’s such a poorly optimized preset.