Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

I have my Stadium and FM3 setup with a ABY switch so I can instantly switch between them. I have plexi patches using the same IR on both units and got them sounding pretty similar. But I’m noticing the FM3 is more sensitive to the fine nuances of my playing, making it a little more dynamic and lively feeling. It’s probably not something I would be able to notice without the instantaneous ABY switching and I haven’t had time yet to try with other amp models. But wondering if others tried something similar and what results they found?

I’ve only had it about two days so it’s too early to make any conclusions, but it is something I did notice with the one model I tried.
I had a couple hours before the wife and 4 year old got home to crank up the studio monitors and do a little more AB testing against the FM3. I’ve concluded I like the plexi’s on the FM3 a lot more. Actually Fractals factory plexi preset has 4 different plexi amp models demoed and I liked them all better than what I was able to get out of the Stadium.

Moving on to a Deluxe Reverb I found them to be very close and didn’t really prefer one over the other.

I only had a few minutes before the family got home to try and AB the 2203. First impression was I liked the Fractal model better, but need more time to tweak.

Final thought. ABY switch is well worth the $20 I paid for it. Really makes it a lot easier to compare tones.
 
Also, app doesn't seem to support focus view yet nor have all the "info" popups. Hopefully, we get that in a future release. Unless I'm staring right at it as usual.

EDIT: To be clear, the focus view button is there, but the little xy control is not there as far as I can tell.
 
One more thing .. I'm getting dropouts when clicking around the various partitions, resizing, or basically playing with the interface of the app at all. Anyone else getting that?
 
One more thing .. I'm getting dropouts when clicking around the various partitions, resizing, or basically playing with the interface of the app at all. Anyone else getting that?
The only thing I noticed that caught me off guard with the Stadium app was a sort of double audio drop out when switching agoura models. It didn’t bother me or prevent me from being able to do anything. Otherwise I’ve had a remarkably stable experience thus far.
 
The only thing I noticed that caught me off guard with the Stadium app was a sort of double audio drop out when switching agoura models. It didn’t bother me or prevent me from being able to do anything. Otherwise I’ve had a remarkably stable experience thus far.
you don't get dropouts when you drag borders to resize the sections or collapse a section (like hide the presets)?

EDIT: as you say it doesn't happen during playing so not a huge deal. But getting the random glitch FX is a little annoying :)
 
Also, app doesn't seem to support focus view yet nor have all the "info" popups. Hopefully, we get that in a future release. Unless I'm staring right at it as usual.

EDIT: To be clear, the focus view button is there, but the little xy control is not there as far as I can tell.
Yeah that’s not implemented yet.
 
you don't get dropouts when you drag borders to resize the sections or collapse a section (like hide the presets)?

EDIT: as you say it doesn't happen during playing so not a huge deal. But getting the random glitch FX is a little annoying :)
Dropouts on the guitar processing? or USB Audio?
 
It's definitely the output of the Stadium, not the interface. The headphone jack on the Helix also has the issue when using the app. Windows FWIW.
 
But with Helix as good as it is today, I don't feel the need to upgrade

I guess that’s valid. I’ll form my own opinion when I get it next year. Agoura has sounded more pleasing to my ears every comparison so far.

But a question popped up: did you compare only with the HX models on the Stadium? Have you compared those with the HX models on the last gen hardware? Just curious.

I’ve been using some amps that haven’t been upgraded to Agoura yet, but they likely have seen some subtle upgrades due to new hardware. I love the Grammatico GSG and the Lonestar, for example.
 
Sigh. Getting old isn't fun. Just finished what will almost certainly be my last gig with the OG Helix. Got home and having my "wind down" time (couple beers while I peruse the forums, watch some TV, etc. I don't know about anyone else, but no matter how tired I am, I can't come home from a gig and go straight to bed.). I really, really, really want to spend some time with the Stadium now, but my decrepit old body is just worn out.

Oh, well. Hopefully, I'll be recovered by tomorrow afternoon when I have my first real chunk of free time since the stadium arrived.
 
I’ve been using some amps that haven’t been upgraded to Agoura yet, but they likely have seen some subtle upgrades due to new hardware. I love the Grammatico GSG and the Lonestar, for example.
I know this is a loaded question but what are you noticing? I haven’t had an opportunity to audition the Hx amps on my Stadium hardware yet. I’m definitely curious about it though.
 
but with my Aurora at 128 samples it's not giving me that off-time feel/drag.

@AlbertA has already measured it. And it's really bad. I could not ever use that for any amp sims. It's even so much that my guess would be that experienced keyboard players would notice when playing virtual instruments through it (even if there's just roughly 1/2 of the audio latency, but then there's MIDI latency added...).

Do you have any photos of your Stadium to demonstrate the problem? The LEDs look ok to me.

Orvillain said they seem to look the same as on the OG Helix. In any pictures I have seen, they're looking the same, too. L6 hasn't said anything about improvements, either.
And as far as the snarky "show us pictures of yours" commet goes, I prefer to gather proper information before making a 2k (then educated) purchase decision.
 
Yeah, there’s nothing wrong with those. And my understanding is they actually aren’t the same, but I could be wrong.

If you were a L6 representant being active in this forum and would see someone complaining about the LEDs, what would you do if they were improved? Wouldn't you just tell that complaining person that the LEDs had been improved? If I were a L6 representant, I very certainly would. And I have by now asked that question multiple times.
 
This didn't work. I'm dumb :rofl

The underlying concept is that each snapshot (can) store a different set of command center assignments. You can see different things for each snapshot you're in.

You have to decide what your assignments are when in snapshot 1, 2, ect.

In your case snapshot A have FS X to recall snapshot B. And snapshot B have the same FX to recall snapshot A.

That's assuming stadium works the same way as OG helix.

I don't have a stadium therefore I can't give you a step by step guide, sorry.
 
So after a day of owning it, and putting it through its paces. Here's where I'm at:

- It sounds great. At least as good as my Axe FX III. I've done a bit of comparison across a couple of models, and there's nothing lacking from the Agoura models. I've deliberately not even touched any of the legacy amps right now.

- There is a feel and sonic difference to the amps that I do not remember having from OG Helix. I'm going to plug the old unit in at some point today and compare them, for kicks.

- I don't perceive any kind of mid to high frequency nastiness, whether aliasing or crossover distortion or whatever it was on the OG unit. These Agoura amps seem very clear and open sounding; without any distracting frequencies that shouldn't be there. A lot better than the legacy ones from memory.

- I really wish there were more high-gain Agoura amps though. I'm trying not to be greedy, but Agoura is good and now I want Axe III quantity! Really wish we had a good Recto and Mark option.

- I really like the Z PrePost knob. That gives you access to some really good tones, and so if you find an amp a bit too stuffy or 'vintage' voiced, you can try cranking the Z knob and get something with a bit more bite to it.

- I hate to say it, but Hype is actually cool. Again, I find that on the whole it just does "nice" things. You don't need to crank it. Usually going up to 2 or 3 will be enough to just give a bit more oompf to a tone.

- I spent a good chunk of time yesterday comparing the 2203 to some clips that @MirrorProfiles sent me. Using his IR, I was able to get a good sounding tone, but I wasn't really able to match his tone. The fundamental gain texture was just too different. I was happy with the sound, but we were both wondering why the difference. Probably just the fact the actual HW amps are different; tubes, bias, circuit differences maybe.

- I find it so much more fun to use than the Axe FX III. I setup a block. I like the sound of it. I save it as a favourite. I make a new preset. I compile the preset from a list of pre-existing favourites. Piece of piss to use. I setup snapshots. Dead easy. Putting together a 3 amp + effects preset took less than 5 minutes to do, and I didn't need to be connected to a computer to do it.

- I had a patch with a Boss SD1 and the 2203, and I got a really chunky Pelican-esque tone out of it. Took no time at all.

- There isn't a reverb that sounds anywhere near as good as Fractal's Plex Verb (in the Plex Delay block), Cumulonimbus, or any of the Shimmer options. In fact, as much as I think they are usable in your average circumstance, the reverbs on the Helix are by far the weakest area. A lot weaker than the delays. Your lowly Boss RV-5 has more punch and presence and cut to it than any of the Helix reverbs, and it was made in 2002!

- Sometimes certain delays and reverbs... it's hard to find the right mix where the guitar and effect signal sound as present as each other. I have a very strong feeling that the mix algorithm changes from block to block, or that there's some internal compensation that is lacking. 50% should always give you an equal mix between the two, except it just doesn't. Consequently, it takes a bit more to dial those effects in.

- The touchscreen is amazing. Best in class for a device like this. Feels so smooth and responsive. QC is good, but Stadium is WAYYYYY better.

- I did have 1 crash. For some reason I thought I could turn the bottom right encoder to scroll through IR's. But you can't. Instead what it did was scroll the IR block to the next effect, which was a Kinky Comp, and I got a huge burst of noise and the unit reset. Hasn't happened again. @Digital Igloo

- Today I'm going to get the Stadium and VP4 connected VIA spdif, and see if I can do some cool stuff with that pairing.
 
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