Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

[fiftyshadesofslay]

That’s a serious concern. I get there’s more CPU on the other line but that pretty much rules out being able to run complex presets with Proxy, or being able run multiple chains for other instruments. For reference the QC doesn’t have as much of a limitation as the
Stadium, especially when it comes to multiple captures.

 

[Sascha Franck]

I'm doing some proxy captures of pedals and I gotta say... hitting a preset limit with a single pedal capture and I cant use the EVH Panama Agoura model, not impressed.

Gotta say that in general I'm pretty unimpressed by how little CPU juice there is to be had in most hardware modelers. I mean, I can run 3-4 maxed out instances of HX Native on a single thread of a Macbook Air M3. And over the years, companies never got tired of telling us how much of a benefit dedicated CPUs and OSes were. I'm still wondering why that would be. They're not cheaper, not more stable and not performing better.

 

[EOengineer]

I'm doing some proxy captures of pedals and I gotta say... hitting a preset limit with a single pedal capture and I cant use the EVH Panama Agoura model, not impressed. I took the Reverb out of there and I got it working but that's some pretty hefty limitations.

I know it'll get better but it made me double take while messing around tonight

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Caps are beefy. I think DI said 4 per path max recently.

My brain insists that pedal caps shouldn’t be as beefy as amp caps, but in practice they seem to require roughly the same resources. I’ll have to dig to see if this is the case with Tonex and NAM. I suspect so.

 

[[Nathan]]

Caps are beefy. I think DI said 4 per path max recently.

My brain insists that pedal caps shouldn’t be as beefy as amp caps, but in practice they seem to require roughly the same resources. I’ll have to dig to see if this is the case with Tonex and NAM. I suspect so.

Yeah I think the goal is for them to get better and slimmer in usage. I was just like... this line has like 3 things on it and I can't add the Agoura EVH, wild.

 

[dean701]

Lots of refining to go. I would have a pedal cap and amp cap on each line then merge them with all effects after the merge.

I was surprised that they are still pruning fav count at this stage when the manual states thousands.

Lots of refining

 

[mbenigni]

That’s a serious concern. I get there’s more CPU on the other line but that pretty much rules out being able to run complex presets with Proxy, or being able run multiple chains for other instruments. For reference the QC doesn’t have as much of a limitation as the
Stadium, especially when it comes to multiple captures.

Yeah, this certainly slows my roll. 2nd CPU is for vocals, post FX for outboard synths, etc.

 

[dean701]

definitely some huge limitations.
I was trying to get dual amps running to the same effects line but I can't even add a second amp in this scenario.
(another restriction is that if I pipe 1B down to 2B, I can't split 2B to have it go to 2B as well.)
No problem with NDSP or FAS.

this also doesn't work with amps greyed out.

maybe if they introduced channels like FAS with no audio gap it would work, but some of the reverbs sound great pushed into one another so multiple reverbs are preferred (Thanks @brianwahl )

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

definitely some huge limitations.
I was trying to get dual amps running to the same effects line but I can't even add a second amp in this scenario.
(another restriction is that if I pipe 1B down to 2B, I can't split 2B to have it go to 2B as well.)
No problem with NDSP or FAS.

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this also doesn't work with amps greyed out.

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Do you really need dual compressors, dual drives, two cab blocks, that many delays and reverbs? Seems like you could trim a lot out and assign parameters to snapshot control where you need to change things. I run dual Agoura amp presets and have SO much more DSP available on the Stadium than I ever did on the Helix.

 

[fr8_trane]

I run dual Agoura amp presets and have SO much more DSP available on the Stadium than I ever did on the Helix.

Whats your dual amp setup? There is a stock preset with the AC30 and I think a twin that sounds amazing for clean tones. The AC30 just fills in that midrange canyon on the Twin perfectly.

 

[dean701]

Do you really need dual compressors, dual drives, two cab blocks, that many delays and reverbs? Seems like you could trim a lot out and assign parameters to snapshot control where you need to change things. I run dual Agoura amp presets and have SO much more DSP available on the Stadium than I ever did on the Helix.

my point is simply that I have no cpu restrictions to do that on other vendor platforms. I shouldn't have to compromise/trim anything.
The compressors and other (eq) blocks are simply to try things in different locations to see what sounds and works best.
The 4 tap delay and tape delay are very good together. The dynamic hall is a staple and for huge reverbs, pushing them into one another is a great effect for huge washy stuff.
I don't really need two simultaneous amps at all, as long as there is a way to switch amps without gaps then one amp block would do.

Even in this scenario, I can't add a second Agoura amp:

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

Whats your dual amp setup? There is a stock preset with the AC30 and I think a twin that sounds amazing for clean tones. The AC30 just fills in that midrange canyon on the Twin perfectly.

Two Agoura AC30's with a dual IR cab. I run all of that on the second path with enough DSP left for a reverb, EQ, and one or two more effects. All other effects are run in front on the first path, stereo into the amps.

 

[HotRats]

I just had a thought about this so forgive me if I’m wrong…but…for those who aren’t running their actual set list on Showcase…

I think you could load, say 5 presets, each with a flag to call them up. Create a song with no music. Just have a 5 measure 4/4 length to it.

Spread the flags evenly on the downbeat of each measure. On beat 1 it calls the preset, it silently advances to beat 4 where the pause flag stops it from going to next measure.

Loop the 5 bar song.

Set it up so you have a toggle foot switch to start or reverse the play back

You end up with ‘Performance Mode à la Kemper!

As far as I know you don't need put showcase in playback, you can simply jump to the next/previous marker.

 

[Mongillo19]

Even in this scenario, I can't add a second Agoura amp

The biggest thing is that this is the newest gen and should have loads of power. It sucks seeing effects/amps grayed out after so little seems to be added.

I'd like to think it will become more efficient but obviously it isn't a guarantee.

 

[Karl Houseknecht]

my point is simply that I have no cpu restrictions to do that on other vendor platforms.

You do, though. Some will limit counts of block types. Others just have a hard limit overall.