Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk

EOengineer said:
The amp and model are matched settings with the exception of the treble and presence being roughly 1 value higher on the Stadium model. Totally matched Stadium is a touch darker but nothing like the IIC+ clip.

In both cases it’s a 1960a SIC and the same York IR from the other examples.
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This time they're much closer (compared to the IIC+) making things even more confusing.

Time will tell what's going on.
 
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texhex said:
The stupid 6-7 thing comes from a Philadelphia rapper named Skrilla and his song Doot Doot. Basically a 10-67 is a police radio call for a dead body. He raps about shooting someone and his lyric is… “6-7 I just bipped right on the highway”.

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I know I’m sounding like generations before me and I get my parents and grandparents said the same thing.

No they didn’t understand my generation either and thought the future was doomed. Like every generation I’m sure some will figure it out but honestly I think the number of, to use a current politically incorrect term from my generation, “retards” is on an another level currently. My daughter teaches 5-6 grade and the stories she tells me are mind blowing on how little these kids know compared to what generations closer to mine before and after and we didn’t have near the access to the amount of info we do now.

I tend to lean in to blaming the internet OR maybe the internet shows how many idiots there has always been and we are just now seeing the reality. 😂
 
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EOengineer said:
Spent a little bit putting together another quick reamp comparing the Stadium 2203 to my Ceriatone 2204, which is a stock clone of that circuit minus a 3 way bright cap toggle which I left in the stock position. Again, imperfect comparison but interesting nonetheless. Also, I realize this tone sucks, but I couldn't crank my 2204 so its a little starved gainwise.

Real amp first following by Stadium.

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Stadium sounding a touch brighter here. Different kind of low end and gain structure but seems totally in the ballpark IMO.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
Stadium sounding a touch brighter here. Different kind of low end and gain structure but seems totally in the ballpark IMO.
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I wasn’t totally surprised, as the Stadium 2203 immediately reminded me of my typical 2204 -> Suhr RL recording chain the first time I plugged in.

My 2204 does have a PPIV master so I may do one more pass where I get that phase inverter overdriving. Would be informative just to see what the poweramp contribution looks like on this amp model in Agoura.

Interestingly enough, I felt like the Stadium model’s drive texture more closely resembled my amp with the z-post cranked, though I left it stock for the comparison. I think I could get a dead ringer for my amp if I had more time.

I still feel fairly confident there’s an issue with the 2C+, if not overall then at least with the treble shift bypassed and high gain/high treble settings. Hoping to take another look this weekend.
 
EOengineer said:
I wasn’t totally surprised, as the Stadium 2203 immediately reminded me of my typical 2204 -> Suhr RL recording chain the first time I plugged in.

My 2204 does have a PPIV master so I may do one more pass where I get that phase inverter overdriving. Would be informative just to see what the poweramp contribution looks like on this amp model in Agoura.

Interestingly enough, I felt like the Stadium model’s drive texture more closely resembled my amp with the z-post cranked, though I left it stock for the comparison. I think I could get a dead ringer for my amp if I had more time.

I still feel fairly confident there’s an issue with the 2C+, if not overall then at least with the treble shift bypassed and high gain/high treble settings. Hoping to take another look this weekend.
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Yeah, it's definitely reassuring when you know you're able to closely recreate your favourite sounds of your own amps. I can just switch off a part of my brain when I dont have to doubt the tones at all. I know some people like to dunk on comparisons and blind tests, but for users like me, its really important that I'm able to get tones similar to what I'm used to with the respective amps. Thats precisely the thing that modelling is appealing to me with, and something I know is possible. And I also greatly respect the fact that we have companies that care about it at least as much as I do, and they're striving to really do the best they can.
 
MirrorProfiles said:
I can just switch off a part of my brain when I dont have to doubt the tones at all. I know some people like to dunk on comparisons and blind tests, but for users like me, its really important that I'm able to get tones similar to what I'm used to with the respective amps. Thats precisely the thing that modelling is appealing to me with, and something I know is possible.
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I can’t agree enough. This accuracy matters to me because when I’m working, there are often several things happening at once. I’m attentive but divided. It’s IMMENSELY helpful to know that every time I load X preset, it’s going to authentically replicate a specific amp response that I know works within a specific context. Just like being in a studio where you know when to grab the Princeton, or 800, or Dual Rectifier. That’s a huge help in my workflow.
 
I don’t think there are really that many musicians who are not interested in the absolute accuracy.

II'd say that accuracy, when it is recognized and validated by common consensus, is often a kind of "Linus blanket" that helps less experienced players avoid questioning their choices too much. And it's full of insecure players out there that need that kind of external validation.

What I see are guitarists, often working musicians or players more oriented toward live performance, who take a more practical approach (close enough is good) and are more interested in other aspects and featuers of modelers and gear in general.
 
HotRats said:
What I see are guitarists, often working musicians or players more oriented toward live performance, who take a more practical approach (close enough is good) and are more interested in other aspects and featuers of modelers and gear in general.
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That’s all well and good, and each to their own. Some of us are working professional engineers first and guitarists second. Ultimately, anyone learning to get the most out of their tools is a winner. If someone doesn’t want to learn (because they don’t need to), good for them. Not everyone needs to worry about it.

I see my role as a recording and mixing engineer is to facilitate the demands of others. If I can go beyond expectations or what anyone is capable of without any help, then I’m doing well.

As a guitarist, I’m also fascinated by the technical side. Just as a synth player might enjoy their synths as much as they do playing and performing music. Making sounds and creating things is inspiring to me. I want to go balls deep into it.
 
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HotRats said:
I don’t think there are really that many musicians who are not interested in the absolute accuracy.

II'd say that accuracy, when it is recognized and validated by common consensus, is often a kind of "Linus blanket" that helps less experienced players avoid questioning their choices too much. And it's full of insecure players out there that need that kind of external validation.

What I see are guitarists, often working musicians or players more oriented toward live performance, who take a more practical approach (close enough is good) and are more interested in other aspects and featuers of modelers and gear in general.
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Is that because you live more in the live performance world than the recording one?

I’ve worked in both and live sound is definitely a less precise affair in terms of what folks will accept as the final result. I’m not trying to provoke a pissing match, moreso just acknowledging that yes, different requirements exist in different contexts.
 
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@MirrorProfiles & @EOengineer

Well I've written that I don't think that's are that many players that don't agree with your interest in accuracy. I guess we agree then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

HotRats said:
I don’t think there are really that many musicians who are not interested in the absolute accuracy.
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I only added there there are other kind of players who value more other aspects because that's what they need more.

Giving more value to, let's say the switching options or the easy of use, doesn't mean they don't care. It's just a matter of priorities.

And no, I'm not talking about my self.
 
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