Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

[Karl Houseknecht]

Yeah, even that T75 cab sounded good with it. And I don’t like that cab.

 

[StarF666]

@Velvet Skin Underarm would you mind sharing the Agoura amp model list on your unit? Are you on 1.0 or 1.1?

 

[StarF666]

There's a metronome built-in? I know I raved about the tuner already but I was close to whisper "I love you" when I looked at the cheat sheet.

 

[GTR37]

@Velvet Skin Underarm would you mind sharing the Agoura amp model list on your unit? Are you on 1.0 or 1.1?

I think 1.1 is just the same 16
It 1.2 in December that comes with 3 new Agouras

 

[GTR37]

man the other TOP is just booming with idiots . one guy back on the Aliasing , which I am pretty sure is an alt for world renowned internet super star Captain . Alias himself Jean Bloomberg

I actually though the Chuck Levin vid was pretty good , sounds like a Fender, VX and Jcm800 to me

 

[paisleywookiee]

man the other TOP is just booming with idiots . one guy back on the Aliasing , which I am pretty sure is an alt for world renowned internet super star Captain . Alias himself Jean Bloomberg

I actually though the Chuck Levin vid was pretty good , sounds like a Fender, VX and Jcm800 to me

Not really surprising. That place is unredeemable at this point.

 

[JiveTurkey]

 

[Digital Igloo]

Not really surprising. That place is unredeemable at this point.

It's not that bad. One obvious provocateur and a couple of people not accustomed to a manufacturer eschewing the whole "your call is important to us" toe-the-line corporate schlock.

 

[Fireproof]

Not really surprising. That place is unredeemable at this point.

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No kidding.

The one guy causing a stir over DSP because he was trying to replicate his QC chain on a single row in Helix. Herp derp - the way memory is allocated is different/. If he had split his 2 agoura amps across two paths, I’m sure he would’ve been fine…

 

[GTR37]

No kidding.

The one guy causing a stir over DSP because he was trying to replicate his QC chain on a single row in Helix. Herp derp - the way memory is allocated is different/. If he had split his 2 agoura amps across two paths, I’m sure he would’ve been fine…

he was trying to break it as DI said, people told him to do that , hell on the cheat sheet it looks like there is 3 amps and a pitch.
Also as Line6 said they are not done with optimization , but the good things with things like this ( if thee is a silver lining) is that it points out what end users are trying to do

Personally if I can use both paths fit 3 Agoura amps , a Whammy , Wah, Drive, delay , verb I am probably good

 

[molul]

In an ideal world, I would like to use Helix Stadium like this: 1'5 paths for guitar and 1/2 path for vocals.

For vocals, I'd need vocal harmonizer with formants, with 1 to 4 voices, and sometimes reverb, delay, distortion and some modulation block.

For guitar, I'd love to be able to squeeze Rev Gen Red, US Super Nrm and Brit 2203, together with poly pitch, shimmer, particle reverb, some fuzz, Scream 808, compressor, some modulation blocks and maybe sometimes harmonizer.

I would be fine if I had to split my songs presets into 2 or 3, as I'm currently doing, but as I said, in an ideal world, I would love to be able to have everything in a single preset.

And I think I read that no matter if you put amps on path 1 or 2, that DSP will be distributed along both paths. That's just brilliant, because sometimes I've had to move a second amp+cab to another path, and blocks ordering was a headache.

I think I could save some DSP by using just amps blocks and then a single cab block, but I would be using one more block space and sometimes I need that space for another block.

Now that Helix Stadium has way more blocks spaces, I will totally use "N" amps + 1 cab, in the hope that it helps having some more DSP.

The greatest addition would be being able to have several amps in the same block space (that doesn't sound crazy; just reserve the max DSP from the selected amps), and seamlessly switching from one to another (that's the one I think it's really difficult). I think I saw someone saying Fractal does this. It would be really convenient.

 

[laxu]

In an ideal world, I would like to use Helix Stadium like this: 1'5 paths for guitar and 1/2 path for vocals.

For vocals, I'd need vocal harmonizer with formants, with 1 to 4 voices, and sometimes reverb, delay, distortion and some modulation block.

For guitar, I'd love to be able to squeeze Rev Gen Red, US Super Nrm and Brit 2203, together with poly pitch, shimmer, particle reverb, some fuzz, Scream 808, compressor, some modulation blocks and maybe sometimes harmonizer.

I would be fine if I had to split my songs presets into 2 or 3, as I'm currently doing, but as I said, in an ideal world, I would love to be able to have everything in a single preset.

And I think I read that no matter if you put amps on path 1 or 2, that DSP will be distributed along both paths. That's just brilliant, because sometimes I've had to move a second amp+cab to another path, and blocks ordering was a headache.

I think I could save some DSP by using just amps blocks and then a single cab block, but I would be using one more block space and sometimes I need that space for another block.

Now that Helix Stadium has way more blocks spaces, I will totally use "N" amps + 1 cab, in the hope that it helps having some more DSP.

The greatest addition would be being able to have several amps in the same block space (that doesn't sound crazy; just reserve the max DSP from the selected amps), and seamlessly switching from one to another (that's the one I think it's really difficult). I think I saw someone saying Fractal does this. It would be really convenient.

This sounds like you could work around potential limitations with e.g using a boost with the 2203, or using whatever the other channel on the Revv is available in the block. Remember that Agoura models can have multiple channels in one amp block.

Overall multiple presets sounds like a way better idea for your fx combinations. If the preset switching is instant, then I see no real issue with this.

 

[GTR37]

In an ideal world, I would like to use Helix Stadium like this: 1'5 paths for guitar and 1/2 path for vocals.

For vocals, I'd need vocal harmonizer with formants, with 1 to 4 voices, and sometimes reverb, delay, distortion and some modulation block.

For guitar, I'd love to be able to squeeze Rev Gen Red, US Super Nrm and Brit 2203, together with poly pitch, shimmer, particle reverb, some fuzz, Scream 808, compressor, some modulation blocks and maybe sometimes harmonizer.

I would be fine if I had to split my songs presets into 2 or 3, as I'm currently doing, but as I said, in an ideal world, I would love to be able to have everything in a single preset.

And I think I read that no matter if you put amps on path 1 or 2, that DSP will be distributed along both paths. That's just brilliant, because sometimes I've had to move a second amp+cab to another path, and blocks ordering was a headache.

I think I could save some DSP by using just amps blocks and then a single cab block, but I would be using one more block space and sometimes I need that space for another block.

Now that Helix Stadium has way more blocks spaces, I will totally use "N" amps + 1 cab, in the hope that it helps having some more DSP.

The greatest addition would be being able to have several amps in the same block space (that doesn't sound crazy; just reserve the max DSP from the selected amps), and seamlessly switching from one to another (that's the one I think it's really difficult). I think I saw someone saying Fractal does this. It would be really convenient.

Yes , you can do that with Fractal , through something called channels. 4 channels per Block , it is very cool
That was my request for Line 6 can we basically have a Virtual A/B switched so you can use one Amp block per path , but have to 2 amps in that block only 1 active at a time like A/B, this basically like your big tube rigs someone like Mark Tremonti has 3 o 4 amps in the case , and he uses one at a time and bypasses the other

Now, what I don't know about is could the Stadium design do that , is there dynamic dSP like you mentioned that if the block is only using one amp can it save the DSP while the B amp is bypassed out would it always have to account for the fact that both the a/b are in the chain

 

[Tito83]

In an ideal world, I would like to use Helix Stadium like this: 1'5 paths for guitar and 1/2 path for vocals.

For vocals, I'd need vocal harmonizer with formants, with 1 to 4 voices, and sometimes reverb, delay, distortion and some modulation block.

For guitar, I'd love to be able to squeeze Rev Gen Red, US Super Nrm and Brit 2203, together with poly pitch, shimmer, particle reverb, some fuzz, Scream 808, compressor, some modulation blocks and maybe sometimes harmonizer.

I would be fine if I had to split my songs presets into 2 or 3, as I'm currently doing, but as I said, in an ideal world, I would love to be able to have everything in a single preset.

And I think I read that no matter if you put amps on path 1 or 2, that DSP will be distributed along both paths. That's just brilliant, because sometimes I've had to move a second amp+cab to another path, and blocks ordering was a headache.

I think I could save some DSP by using just amps blocks and then a single cab block, but I would be using one more block space and sometimes I need that space for another block.

Now that Helix Stadium has way more blocks spaces, I will totally use "N" amps + 1 cab, in the hope that it helps having some more DSP.

The greatest addition would be being able to have several amps in the same block space (that doesn't sound crazy; just reserve the max DSP from the selected amps), and seamlessly switching from one to another (that's the one I think it's really difficult). I think I saw someone saying Fractal does this. It would be really convenient.

While I guess it's fun to imagine being able to fit everything in a single preset, because "why not?"

But still with a bit of thinking it probably can do whatever it is you're trying to do. Sure, it would require changing presets, but I don't get why this seems such a big deal. Maybe it's just the impression I'm getting, I don't know.

Maybe it's just how we are. The moment we can do everything on one preset we will start complaining we can't fit two amps in stereo for clean and two for dirt, the moment we can have that we will suddenly "need" three each for WDW on a single path of a single preset.

 

[Frodebro]

There's been that meme, kinda went like:

"10 years ago I was hoping about robots to do the housekeeping and ironing, so I'd have more time to make music - 10 years later and I'm still housekeeping and ironing and the music is taken care of by robots."

Absolutely spot on.

AI could (and should) be used to adress hunger, poverty, solve scientific problems, research medicines and what not. But it should be kept out of anything creative, FFS.

Just wait until AI is implemented in the adult toys industry…

 

[AZG]

Yes , you can do that with Fractal , through something called channels. 4 channels per Block , it is very cool
That was my request for Line 6 can we basically have a Virtual A/B switched so you can use one Amp block per path , but have to 2 amps in that block only 1 active at a time like A/B, this basically like your big tube rigs someone like Mark Tremonti has 3 o 4 amps in the case , and he uses one at a time and bypasses the other

Now, what I don't know about is could the Stadium design do that , is there dynamic dSP like you mentioned that if the block is only using on amps can it save the DSP while the B amp is bypassed out would it always have to account for the fact that both the a/b are in the chain

I think Channels are amazing on the Fractals. Lets limited DSP resources go a very long way. Hope Line 6 implements something similar soon. Really an amazingly useful feature.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I think Channels are amazing on the Fractals. Lets limited DSP resources go a very long way. Hope Line 6 implements something similar soon. Really an amazingly useful feature.

Yeah I wish Line 6 had implemented something similar, because channels on FAS stuff is IMO THE coolest feature on it. However, perhaps it's either in the pipeline for Stadium, or there's another way to accomplish a similar result.

 

[AZG]

Yeah I wish Line 6 had implemented something similar, because channels on FAS stuff is IMO THE coolest feature on it. However, perhaps it's either in the pipeline for Stadium, or there's another way to accomplish a similar result.

I'm open to them being creative and coming up with their own twist on the idea. One of the things I think is so great about Fractals channels is it is not limited to channels of the same amp or effect. Channel A can be a clean Fender, B a plexi, C a hotrod 800, D whatever your heart desires. Same goes with Cabs and every effect. Allows a non turbo FM3 do way more in a preset than expected. Cheers to hoping this is a priority for L6

 

[paisleywookiee]

I'm open to them being creative and coming up with their own twist on the idea. One of the things I think is so great about Fractals channels is it is not limited to channels of the same amp or effect. Channel A can be a clean Fender, B a plexi, C a hotrod 800, D whatever your heart desires. Same goes with Cabs and every effect. Allows a non turbo FM3 do way more in a preset than expected. Cheers to hoping this is a priority for L6

I agree. But yeah I'm hesitant to be too critical of Line 6 either, because there might be a good way to accomplish something similar.

 

[laxu]

I'm open to them being creative and coming up with their own twist on the idea. One of the things I think is so great about Fractals channels is it is not limited to channels of the same amp or effect. Channel A can be a clean Fender, B a plexi, C a hotrod 800, D whatever your heart desires. Same goes with Cabs and every effect. Allows a non turbo FM3 do way more in a preset than expected. Cheers to hoping this is a priority for L6

Snapshot params do achieve half of what channels do, just not in as convenient way and without the ability to have a whole different model. I actually liked the way Hotone handled this where it made a clear distinction between "main scene" and other scenes, where it would not let you e.g change models or move blocks in other scenes but allowed you to alter parameters, including showing if they are altered. Made it pretty easy to understand what scenes were doing.

But ultimately I found I used the Fractal channels feature mostly for comparing different things and switching amp/cab models. It was pretty rare that I used channels in most effect blocks after initial testing.

My guess is that the HX platform in its current form is not suited for this, considering some of the more complex models like the Revv are still split into 2 channel models.