Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

[jmcecil]

"these DAW things are too complex, how come i can't just do xxx by clicking a button? You know, things like progressions, chords, velocity, melodies, harmonies, etc.. it's all just notes that need to be humanized/randomized a bit, it should be easy to make it easy!"

"WTF you mean a tool that automates all that stuff makes me useless (assuming I wasn't already)???? OMG kill it, kill it"

 

[ian_dissonance]

"these DAW things are too complex, how come i can't just do xxx by clicking a button? You know, things like progressions, chords, velocity, melodies, harmonies, etc.. it's all just notes that need to be humanized/randomized a bit, it should be easy to make it easy!"

"WTF you mean a tool that automates all that stuff makes me useless (assuming I wasn't already)???? OMG kill it, kill it"

“Waaahhh, all music sounds the same”

“ChatBot, how to make Reaper mix like The Black Keys”

 

[Sascha Franck]

I would caveat that with the vast majority of industry output is not art in any way shape or form. So using AI to automate the process of digestible gruel for the masses has nothing to do with art.

Well, maybe. But maybe not. No idea how closely you've followed Suno during the last, say, months. But it's absolutely outstanding. And you can kinda force it to do anything, not just mass compatible musical wallpaper. Want prog rock with extraordinary guitar shredding? Suno delivers. Want beatle-esque 60s stuff with a modern twist? Suno delivers. Etc.
It's scary, especially as the sound quality has increased so much most people aren't able to tell it's AI anymore.

 

[jmcecil]

Well, maybe. But maybe not. No idea how closely you've followed Suno during the last, say, months. But it's absolutely outstanding. And you can kinda force it to do anything, not just mass compatible musical wallpaper. Want prog rock with extraordinary guitar shredding? Suno delivers. Want beatle-esque 60s stuff with a modern twist? Suno delivers. Etc.
It's scary, especially as the sound quality has increased so much most people aren't able to tell it's AI anymore.

FYI: take all this with a good dose of humor and a bit of academic twaddle to kill some philosophical time waiting for new toys.

My point is that the concept of "art" has moved endlessly over time. Making actual money off of it is a new phenomena. Doing it for an industry as a "career" is not art, it's a job. Jobs have been replaced repeatedly over the years. Our current definition of the arts is being challenged .. it's actually pointing out that our reliance on technology as the producer of the art was probably faux art to begin with. Silly humans will find a new sandbox to create in. Suno will never be the Beatles, because Suno wasn't around in the 60's. The musical style explosion of the 70s will likely never happen again. The technology that made it possible is now antiquated. Band members sitting in a room together writing songs is done. And, it didn't take AI to kill that off. Live will still be live assuming it doesn't turn into nothing but autotuned lip-syncing to backing tracks, while the band members do the Top of the Pops instrument mime gig ... oh wait.

 

[[Nathan]]

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@timbuck3 being a passive-aggressive douche to a post that wasn't intended to be comedic or funny. Keep being a weirdo, Tim.

I’m surprised every post doesn’t have the footnote

- Sent from Ipad

 

[paisleywookiee]

I can’t wait to spend 160 hours a month as a battery to earn my UBI.

Yup. The fact that we’ve got people cheering for the Black Mirror episode to become real life is disheartening, but not surprising.

 

[jmcecil]

just as an aside, I ended up as a developer instead of a musician 40+ years ago. Over these past 40 years I've been going to lose my job to fancy new tech a zillion times. Each time, I just learned the new tech and kept on working. AI is just like that. Either be the person making AI do it's thing or not. Doesn't matter if it's Quantum logic gates, or trinary operators, if you just accept new shit happens you'll be fine.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I’m surprised every post doesn’t have the footnote

- Sent from Ipad

I’m dictating this from my iPhone can you tell? OMG. Actually, this does pretty well. I must have the newer model with Apple Intelligence. either that, or I annunciate, and don’t talk like I have a mouthful of mashed potatoes.

 

[Mongillo19]

have a mouthful of mashed potatoes.

Proud of you for saying "mashed potatoes" and not something else

 

[bucephalus]

I’m dictating this from my iPhone can you tell? OMG. Actually, this does pretty well. I must have the newer model with Apple Intelligence. either that, or I annunciate, and don’t talk like I have a mouthful of mashed potatoes.

Enunciate

 

[ian_dissonance]

FYI: take all this with a good dose of humor and a bit of academic twaddle to kill some philosophical time waiting for new toys.

My point is that the concept of "art" has moved endlessly over time. Making actual money off of it is a new phenomena. Doing it for an industry as a "career" is not art, it's a job. Jobs have been replaced repeatedly over the years. Our current definition of the arts is being challenged .. it's actually pointing out that our reliance on technology as the producer of the art was probably faux art to begin with. Silly humans will find a new sandbox to create in. Suno will never be the Beatles, because Suno wasn't around in the 60's. The musical style explosion of the 70s will likely never happen again. The technology that made it possible is now antiquated. Band members sitting in a room together writing songs is done. And, it didn't take AI to kill that off. Live will still be live assuming it doesn't turn into nothing but autotuned lip-syncing to backing tracks, while the band members do the Top of the Pops instrument mime gig ... oh wait.

The home recording boom already made it so any dickhead can release music into the world, streaming made it so those dickheads are in the same place as “good” musicians, and now you don’t even have to have any of the ability to “make” music. The pool is already pissed in, now it’s gonna get shit in, too. AI is useful, it has its place. Cranking out the-best-of-nu-metal-but-make-it-60’s-soul should have been about the 3,456,778,420th place it should have gone. But you’re right, someone will find a creative use for it, I just don’t care until cancer is cured, billionaires don’t exist, and nobody is hungry. But I feel the same way about just about every technological advancement, and fully understand the dichotomy of saying that and then going down to my basement and hooking up my modeler to my mega-super-awesome computer and plugging in my 9-string baritone scale fan-fret guitar.

 

[Orvillain]

Yep. In my job (developer) AI has been the biggest performance booster ever. Being able to make things in 1/10th the time is awesome.

AI will be part of our lives sooner or later, no matter how much we want to avoid it. It will bring so much crap, as the internet or social media, but also so much convenience and stuff we never thought possible.

A chatbot in Helix Stadium looks like a kinda easy addition with so much potential. Imagine asking for a certain tone you have in mind, and then asking it for tweaking it so it sounds closer to some other artist. "I want Tool's Schism bass tone but mixed with Peter Hook's iconic bass sound".

So I'm just finishing up the Audio Developer Conference here in Bristol. There's definitely an air of ai-worry in the audio dev community right now. At the same time, everyone I spoke to is utilizing Claude and ChatGPT and others in order to quickly problem solve.

The general feeling is - AI can empower people who know what they're doing, but it can also empower people who do not know what they're doing. It writes bad code if you let it.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Enunciate

SEE?! Proves my point.


(And yeah, I missed it the first time)

 

[paisleywookiee]

So I'm just finishing up the Audio Developer Conference here in Bristol. There's definitely an air of ai-worry in the audio dev community right now. At the same time, everyone I spoke to is utilizing Claude and ChatGPT and others in order to quickly problem solve.

The general feeling is - AI can empower people who know what they're doing, but it can also empower people who do not know what they're doing. It writes bad code if you let it.

Developers and other IT people (like me) welcoming AI remind me of the people standing on top of the building in Independence Day, holding up signs for the nice alien friends.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Like everything else in the world it won’t be the responsible users causing problems and they will be the tiniest minority or overall users.

 

[jmcecil]

Developers and other IT people (like me) welcoming AI remind me of the people standing on top of the building in Independence Day, holding up signs for the nice alien friends.

To be fair I'm not "welcoming it", but I recognize when it's time to swim with the sharks instead of curling in a ball in front of their open mouths.

 

[GTR37]

So I'm just finishing up the Audio Developer Conference here in Bristol. There's definitely an air of ai-worry in the audio dev community right now. At the same time, everyone I spoke to is utilizing Claude and ChatGPT and others in order to quickly problem solve.

The general feeling is - AI can empower people who know what they're doing, but it can also empower people who do not know what they're doing. It writes bad code if you let it.

is Claude sleeping with TINA ? can you find out ?

 

[paisleywookiee]

To be fair I'm not "welcoming it", but I recognize when it's time to swim with the sharks instead of curling in a ball in front of their open mouths.

Well normally I’d agree, but these particular sharks are having a tough time convincing themselves that we (the fish) are their friends, not food.

 

[jmcecil]

Well normally I’d agree, but these particular sharks are having a tough time convincing themselves that we (the fish) are their friends, not food.

I can understand the sentiment, but the luddites have always feared the new tech. New tech just keeps getting weirder and scarier. I don't for a second think that AI is the scariest new tech that I'll see in my lifetime. And I'm old.

EDIT: luddite was not a pejorative pointed your way .. sorry if it reads that way.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I can understand the sentiment, but the luddites have always feared the new tech. New tech just keeps getting weirder and scarier. I don't for a second think that AI is the scariest new tech that I'll see in my lifetime. And I'm old.

EDIT: luddite was not a pejorative pointed your way .. sorry if it reads that way.

Scariest technology in general? Probably not, given the many horrific “advances”. In IT in particular? Hmmm. I definitely think it’s up there. Would be an interesting conversation for probably another thread.