Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

Orvillain said:
The main issue with the HX verbs - even the newer ones - you can't get the bright enough before they start losing the smoothness and clarity, instead turning into metallic shimmery aliasy mush. They CAN sound good... but within a window. Not as flexible as the Fractal ones.

You'll notice the Fractal ones have the same problem when you set the quality setting to economy.
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I can't say I have that experience, but then again I don't see the benefit in dialing any reverb on any platform to be but so bright.

It really has nothing to do with sounding metallic or not, but rather as soon as other melodic instruments into the mix, I find that a lot of those frequencies get eaten up.
 
mikah912 said:
I can't say I have that experience, but then again I don't see the benefit in dialing any reverb on any platform to be but so bright.

It really has nothing to do with sounding metallic or not, but rather as soon as other melodic instruments into the mix, I find that a lot of those frequencies get eaten up.
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If you run reverbs in front of the amp as I do, the character of the high frequencies matters a lot. If you're always looking for a clean "produced" reverb sound that sits in the effects loop, then you might not notice it. But it is definitely an attribute across the HX reverbs.

My guess is their topology isn't FDN based, or their DSP budget only allows for small FDN networks, which can still result in correlations across the various allpass filters, or delay lines in the processing chain, which is the number one cause of metallicness in a reverb. Could also be that their modulation sources are not updated on a per-sample basis, but rather a block basis, which can lead to correlation rather than de-correlation as well.

They're certainly not shit. But I just find them only usable within a narrow band.
 
JiveTurkey said:
I was thinking (?) DI said the 2203 was an Agoura amp and one of the "bridges" to the new Stadium content?
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Not a bridge. More like if we can get the Agoura version to sound and respond better than the 2203 (which is considered one of the best HX amps), we knew we were on the right track.

2203 is still there in the Legacy subcategory if you want something with less DSP. Agoura amps use roughly twice the DSP as their HX counterparts.
 
banned said:
... on laptop speakers
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Don't make me post homelander again. Ahh who are we kidding here you go:

Angry Season 2 GIF by The Boys
 
Digital Igloo said:
Not a bridge. More like if we can get the Agoura version to sound and respond better than the 2203 (which is considered one of the best HX amps), we knew we were on the right track.

2203 is still there in the Legacy subcategory if you want something with less DSP. Agoura amps use roughly twice the DSP as their HX counterparts.
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It sounds awesome and will likely be one of the first amps I try.
 
paisleywookiee said:
I'm kinda surprised Fractal hasn't done this with say Modulation, Delay, Reverb, and Plex. Their drives suck, IMO, so I wouldn't be in too much of a hurry for that.
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I still suspect they are going to do this , the fact that they are making pedal board power supplies
I think at least a delay pedal is highly likely
 
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