Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

You’ve gotta love Guitar Center.

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Oh cool, it’s in stock months ahead of time, let me click the link…

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Of course! :rofl
 
My monitoring system is fine. I find Line 6 models for high gain to be lacking. Bottom line.
The particular Fractal user quirk is they buy a FAS whatever then proceed to expect every piece of gear released from every other manufacturer to be instantly ported to it.

The particular Helix user quirk is they've never played a real amp or any other modeler yet argue to the death that it's all the same in their best Stuart Smalley impersonation.






...he said; with love.
 
The particular Fractal user quirk is they buy a FAS whatever then proceed to expect every piece of gear released from every other manufacturer to be instantly ported to it.

The particular Helix user quirk is they've never played a real amp or any other modeler yet argue to the death that it's all the same in their best Stuart Smalley impersonation.






...he said; with love.

I would hope no one would be the least bit provoked by that, JT, even without the nicety at the end. People should be allowed to love what they love and believe it to be the best.
 
I would hope no one would be the least bit provoked by that, JT, even without the nicety at the end. People should be allowed to love what they love and believe it to be the best.
It wasn't meant to be provocative so much as just what I see. In the same way you go to a FAS thread and people are calling for the death of amps and I'm like "How are you going to request the new Friedman Andy Dick Signature model to be ported over if everyone stops making amps?" :unsure:
 
The particular Fractal user quirk is they buy a FAS whatever then proceed to expect every piece of gear released from every other manufacturer to be instantly ported to it.

The particular Helix user quirk is they've never played a real amp or any other modeler yet argue to the death that it's all the same in their best Stuart Smalley impersonation.






...he said; with love.
Yep, then there’s some of us that are old enough to have played everything under the sun, in our bedrooms, in band rehearsals, on stage, in studios, and know what’s good to us when we hear it. More musicians should have more experiences, absolutely.
 
Yep, then there’s some of us that are old enough to have played everything under the sun, in our bedrooms, in band rehearsals, on stage, in studios, and know what’s good to us when we hear it. More musicians should have more experiences, absolutely.
I like the Badonk and the 5150 and the Recto (I am betting I would like them morerer in Agoura, though). I'll end up with a Stadium of some sort I am sure. I want the regular model though without the exp so that's a little farther down the road.
 
Yep, then there’s some of us that are old enough to have played everything under the sun, in our bedrooms, in band rehearsals, on stage, in studios, and know what’s good to us when we hear it. More musicians should have more experiences, absolutely.
Oh some of us are old enough but just didn't get the chance to play much, trying to make up for it now though.
 
I like the Badonk and the 5150 and the Recto (I am betting I would like them morerer in Agoura, though). I'll end up with a Stadium of some sort I am sure. I want the regular model though without the exp so that's a little farther down the road.
Yeah I didn’t really like the Helix, I bought the HX Stomp twice because I just loved the form factor, and I had the HX effects for awhile too. Comparing the models in the HX to fractal amps and effects, it was just night and day better on Fractal. The Fractal amps sounded like my real tube amps and the effects put you in a space in a way I didn’t get from the Helix effects. I will say I love the functionality of the HX effects over the VP4, but the effects quality of the VP4 keeps it on my board in place of a HX effects.

I’m interested in the Stadium now because that brief demo with Ola sounded very good and it feels like Line 6 really stepped up their game with this one.
 
Yeah I didn’t really like the Helix, I bought the HX Stomp twice because I just loved the form factor, and I had the HX effects for awhile too. Comparing the models in the HX to fractal amps and effects, it was just night and day better on Fractal. The Fractal amps sounded like my real tube amps and the effects put you in a space in a way I didn’t get from the Helix effects. I will say I love the functionality of the HX effects over the VP4, but the effects quality of the VP4 keeps it on my board in place of a HX effects.

I’m interested in the Stadium now because that brief demo with Ola sounded very good and it feels like Line 6 really stepped up their game with this one.
Historically; I agree completely. Though my last go round with the Stomp for FX and routing was great and I did feel like there was a good step up from the time I had it before? I think the Stadium is definitely going to continue that upward trajectory \m/
 
Historically; I agree completely. Though my last go round with the Stomp for FX and routing was great and I did feel like there was a good step up from the time I had it before? I think the Stadium is definitely going to continue that upward trajectory \m/
That makes sense. It’s been 2-3 years since I had a Stomp and I’m sure there have been firmware updates that improved it.
 
That makes sense. It’s been 2-3 years since I had a Stomp and I’m sure there have been firmware updates that improved it.
Won't lie—Helix's older Hybrid Cab engine held us back (and we're not bringing it forward to Stadium). The new cabs from 3.5 sound and respond so much better, a lot of people are foregoing IRs. Plus, we've improved a bunch of other things behind the scenes.

In our most recent double-blind A/B/X listening tests to ensure Agoura was real and not a placebo, OG Helix (running 3.80) fared far better than anyone thought it would. It absolutely, positively didn't sound like a 10-year-old engine... because technically, it's not. Another particular product fared far worse than anyone thought it would, even when played by people who owned it.
 
Some cool ideas here (and keep 'em coming), but just like how we're actively eschewing the notion of Showcase ever becoming a proper DAW, we'll probably also actively eschew the notion of Stadium being one's primary hardcore studio interface. Line 6 needs to focus on what we do best, and "Oh, if you just do this big lift outside your wheelhouse, I can sell this other piece of gear" doesn't generally motivate us to pivot from our long-term goals.
 
Yep, then there’s some of us that are old enough to have played everything under the sun, in our bedrooms, in band rehearsals, on stage, in studios, and know what’s good to us when we hear it. More musicians should have more experiences, absolutely.

Some of us have played for a long time as well and that's why the question on monitoring - Fractal offers additional speaker modeling parameters that can make a big difference if you're playing through FRFR.

But if you're playing through a guitar cab, IR / speaker modeling doesn't into play, and I've found that L6 is in no way behind compared to anyone else. FRFR can be a crapshoot as it can mean almost anything.
 
Some of us have played for a long time as well and that's why the question on monitoring - Fractal offers additional speaker modeling parameters that can make a big difference if you're playing through FRFR.

But if you're playing through a guitar cab, IR / speaker modeling doesn't into play, and I've found that L6 is in no way behind compared to anyone else. FRFR can be a crapshoot as it can mean almost anything.
I’ve tried the HX effects through my Adam Audio studio speakers with onboard cab modeling and also with IRs I know and trust, through the FX loop of a JP2C and through a Mesa 2:90 through a 1999 Mesa OS 4x12. I no way did I find the high gain models in the HX stomp up through roughly 3 years ago to be my cup of tea.
 
Some cool ideas here (and keep 'em coming), but just like how we're actively eschewing the notion of Showcase ever becoming a proper DAW, we'll probably also actively eschew the notion of Stadium being one's primary hardcore studio interface. Line 6 needs to focus on what we do best, and "Oh, if you just do this big lift outside your wheelhouse, I can sell this other piece of gear" doesn't generally motivate us to pivot from our long-term goals.
Please make the editor worl with touch like being able to use focus view drag from the editor!

HXEdit currently isn't really touch friendly. I have a Surface Pro I tried to use and it's not great.
 
Some cool ideas here (and keep 'em coming), but just like how we're actively eschewing the notion of Showcase ever becoming a proper DAW, we'll probably also actively eschew the notion of Stadium being one's primary hardcore studio interface. Line 6 needs to focus on what we do best, and "Oh, if you just do this big lift outside your wheelhouse, I can sell this other piece of gear" doesn't generally motivate us to pivot from our long-term goals.
I think you’re onto something with what you’ve built into the Stadium. When the non-pedal version releases early next year I’m going to give it a go. Obviously an HX Effects-style variant would be great, and who doesn’t love a 1 or 2 space rack piece (3 is far too big IMO), but I think this device and ecosystem is a dramatic step up.
 
Helix's older Hybrid Cab engine held us back
Without divulging too many trade secrets, I'm curious why? Was it a quality thing? A storage thing? Lack of DSP meaning you had to go one way rather than another with the inherent convolution techniques?
 
Some cool ideas here (and keep 'em coming), but just like how we're actively eschewing the notion of Showcase ever becoming a proper DAW, we'll probably also actively eschew the notion of Stadium being one's primary hardcore studio interface. Line 6 needs to focus on what we do best, and "Oh, if you just do this big lift outside your wheelhouse, I can sell this other piece of gear" doesn't generally motivate us to pivot from our long-term goals.
"Hardcore studio interface" seems to be the sticking point here, though. There are plenty of home studio types for whom their high end guitar modeler is perfectly adequate, who might not want to add another piece of hardware, more cables, more configuration software, etc. Helix and QC have both been great for me as studio hubs, they just tend to get almost permanently embedded.

(That said, I get that it makes good business sense for you to focus on your core user group.)
 
@Digital Igloo
  1. Can you enable/disable the preamp and/or power amp sections of the Agora models? (Im assuming so, but just checking)
  2. When manual?
  3. Are you guys planning some sort of video manual or companion?
 
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