I'd say that confidence is well-earned, personally.
Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion
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I'd say that confidence is well-earned, personally.
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Sounds great. Loving all the signal path and icon implementation. Even more excited now.
laxu
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What kind of signal chains can we expect to be able to build with Agoura amps? Helix tends to tap out with two amp blocks on one DSP, but that's likely much less necessary with Agoura since each Amp block contains all channels for most amp models.
Also, are you planning to solve the issue of "two of the same block type and model type next to each other"?
With Helix you can't tell if e.g Drive A is different from Drive B without selecting those blocks, and based on that latest video this could be an issue with HX Stadium as well if both Drive blocks are Overdrives and thus have the same icon.
Even some "Drive A" and "Drive B" labels would help differentiate.
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I didn't think Temu but I definitely thought Satriani-lite?
"We have 'Summer Song' at home.... "
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I mean... that's a lot of redundant Gain, Wah, and Volume Pedal blocks. This is clearly not a realistic preset—it's really only to show block locations.
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Let's see...
That's room for 50 Metal Zone's, a Badonk, and a LA comp at the end to
Probably already a factory preset
Lysander
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I understand what you mean, but comparing the Line 6 product range to the VW brands Audi, Porsche, and Lamborghini is quite... well... confident.
So where's the VW icon?
Looks sick.
I did laugh at the blue captions though. Reminded me of that episode of Brass Eye, with the "this is the one thing we didn't want to happen" flying captions all over the screen!
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The different mixes per output are way cool. Tons of things I could imagine realising with that, especially in a recording context.
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Lysander
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It may a minor thing for some, but those buttons over the big volume knob to select on which output to change volume have me uncomfortably excited.
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From the Cheat Sheet:
- Press [1/4'], [XLR], or [Phones] to select which output the large Volume knob controls
- Press the lit button to open its Matrix mixer screen; each output gets its own cue mix
- Press and hold two (or all three) buttons to link volume control and cue mix
- Press-hold the lit button to disable the Volume knob
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So silly idea time...
Stadium.
Loop 1 - Strymon Dig, or El Capistan, or Volante, DD-500, or maybe a 2290 from TC. Whatever tasty "better than Helix" delay you want. 100% wet.
Loop 2 - RV5. 100% wet.
Loop 3 - MercuryX. 100% wet.
Loop 4 - Golden. 100% wet.
Row 1. Split signal once. Loop 1 in the split, immediately followed by a noise-gate. Use the merge split volume as the final wet volume. Rejoin row.
Split signal once more. Loop 2 in the split, immediately followed by a noise-gate. Use the merge split volume as the final wet volume. Rejoin row.
Split signal once more. Loop 3 in the split, immediately followed by a noise-gate. Use the merge split volume as the final wet volume. Rejoin row.
Split signal once more. Loop 4 in the split, immediately followed by a noise-gate. Use the merge split volume as the final wet volume. Rejoin row.
I think that would give you an unaffected dry signal all the way through. It would give you the ability to turn off one of the pedals in the loop, and kill any signal coming out of the pedal from there (100% wet modes don't pass any dry signal even in bypassed state) and then you've got a subtle noise-gate to take care of the noise-floor, individually for each pedal. Which means the thresholds only need to be set for each individual pedal, rather than the cumulative noise floor.
I'd be tempted to try it!
Stadium.
Loop 1 - Strymon Dig, or El Capistan, or Volante, DD-500, or maybe a 2290 from TC. Whatever tasty "better than Helix" delay you want. 100% wet.
Loop 2 - RV5. 100% wet.
Loop 3 - MercuryX. 100% wet.
Loop 4 - Golden. 100% wet.
Row 1. Split signal once. Loop 1 in the split, immediately followed by a noise-gate. Use the merge split volume as the final wet volume. Rejoin row.
Split signal once more. Loop 2 in the split, immediately followed by a noise-gate. Use the merge split volume as the final wet volume. Rejoin row.
Split signal once more. Loop 3 in the split, immediately followed by a noise-gate. Use the merge split volume as the final wet volume. Rejoin row.
Split signal once more. Loop 4 in the split, immediately followed by a noise-gate. Use the merge split volume as the final wet volume. Rejoin row.
I think that would give you an unaffected dry signal all the way through. It would give you the ability to turn off one of the pedals in the loop, and kill any signal coming out of the pedal from there (100% wet modes don't pass any dry signal even in bypassed state) and then you've got a subtle noise-gate to take care of the noise-floor, individually for each pedal. Which means the thresholds only need to be set for each individual pedal, rather than the cumulative noise floor.
I'd be tempted to try it!
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The one thing Helix always lacked was a UX lock button.Hey, no squirrels though
I keed, respectfully.
Of course, Paul Hindmarsh could play me out of any building and down the street. It's just that in a modern context, the 100W 5153 red channel isn't anybody's first choice to play mid-gain, first-position A power chords over a 4/4 beat. And I'm not saying that you have to throw on a seven-string in Drop G either. Plenty of ground in between.....
But maybe Line 6 thinks anything heavier than 80s rock would clash with the persistent narration about the feature being displayed?
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That’s my big question to
not much has been said about the power
Can you run 2 cpu intensive amps and a poly pitch and
Poly detune after the amp block in one preset
I would guess yes but I get nervous with the mention of having to use HX amps if you need to preserve CPU
Also agreed @mikah912 on the clips they are way to short
Buried in a mix mostly excerpt for a short couple of bars
When we got the Fender Twin I was like cool a full clip of just the dry amp and it sounded great but this one and last weeks AC 30 kind of threw me
I don't think they can answer the DSP question because they're still optimizing the DSP load for firmware 1.0.
On the clip front - and in all fairness to DI and the gang - the primary purpose of a "Stadium Tour" clip is to showcase a functionality of the unit, while the secondary purpose is to display Agoura modeling in a mix context in the background. Last week's was a bit of a cheat code because the AC30 got 15-20 seconds of isolated sound to itself as they wordlessly demonstrated Focus View.
The "Stadium Tour > Sound Sample" clips are where we really get to hear the amp models, and only two of the eight clips thus far have been those.
In the end, I'm not put off personally because I'm using the HX Panama Red/Blue all the time, so I know they sound great (but I also really, really hope they'll at least make some Proxy captures of a Stealth version too. The blue channels on those are voiced very differently than the "standard" 5153).
It's just a matter of being patient. I'd love it if one of these Tour clips showcased the creation of a "clean-to-mean" multi-snapshot preset from scratch using just the hardware controls in 2 minutes or less. You could show off the channels/input feature in the amp block that way, while also highlighting multiple amp sounds in isolation.
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