Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

At the end of the day it’s an arbitrary distinction. You’ll like the sound of the Stadium doing what you need it to do, or you won’t.

Line 6 is launching with 16 amps. Not a particularly impressive integer on the face of it, but probably sufficient. The question you seem to keep poking at is: by also giving us a shitload of legacy HX content, are they giving us more, or less? Hardly a question at all.

I don't understand why Tim wants Line 6 to sell a Helix successor that would require long-time Helix users to completely rebuild every preset from scratch. It's baffling.

Stadium will be great, and the ability to use all the patches I've created, swapping in new amps where appropriate, is a MAJOR selling point.
 
I don't understand why Tim wants Line 6 to sell a Helix successor that would require long-time Helix users to completely rebuild every preset from scratch. It's baffling.

Stadium will be great, and the ability to use all the patches I've created, swapping in new amps where appropriate, is a MAJOR selling point.
It’s insane really, he’s been pushing this for weeks now. FFS just because an older amp model is in the device doesn’t mean you have to use it. If it’s not taking up space that L6 needs for new amps, why would you care?

Why would you want the new device to launch with only 16 amps, when there have been dozens of new amps added to Helix over the past few years that are highly regarded? Probably the majority of stadium early adopters will be existing helix users who might not upgrade if there was no cross compatibility.
 
It’s insane really, he’s been pushing this for weeks now. FFS just because an older amp model is in the device doesn’t mean you have to use it. If it’s not taking up space that L6 needs for new amps, why would you care?

Why would you want the new device to launch with only 16 amps, when there have been dozens of new amps added to Helix over the past few years that are highly regarded? Probably the majority of stadium early adopters will be existing helix users who might not upgrade if there was no cross compatibility.
You are best off not attempting to understand anything Tim says imo 😔
 
Question of the YouTubers who are you most interested to see demo this thing ?
I have to go with. Leon Todd
Brett Kingman, Paul from the studio rats, Sonic Drive , Thorn , Micheal Nielsen

Who the fuck are you kidding? This is the biggest cliffhanger since the summer we spent waiting to find out who shot J.R. We’re going to watch every fucking demo and review out there. Except Tony MacKenzie, of course.
 
Who the fuck are you kidding? This is the biggest cliffhanger since the summer we spent waiting to find out who shot J.R. We’re going to watch every fucking demo and review out there. Except Tony MacKenzie, of course.

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I guess I wonder if any of these companies when they say they have “new modeling“ if they actually go back and remodel the same amps they have in stock or they can get their hands on or if they just take the existing models and play around with them and then release them as new? I mean, starting from zero and remodeling amps with new technology will take a lot longer to do than just messing with the original amp somehow and releasing it.
Somehow, I feel head rush just takes tones. They already have and just tweak them and releases them as new, but I’m not sure about other companies.
Modeling amps, drives, compressors, and the analog sections of mods and time-based effects utilize DSP tools that describe the behavior of those circuits. If you've created, say 100 tools, you can describe the behavior of X number of amps and effects. Some amps and effects might not sound right because your 100 tools are insufficient, so you improve your tools or create new ones, all designed to work within the limitations of your DSP architecture and chipset horsepower.

The next generation might have more DSP so it might afford notably more complex variations of some (or most) existing tools and some all new more DSP-intensive tools, but some tools that work very well might be kept the same. Decades later, your original 100 tools may have ballooned into 1000 or 5000 tools and maybe all but a few of the original tools have been deprecated.

With Agoura, we pivoted to a different approach to the amp modeling process itself, which means (at least for amps) moving most of our existing DSP tools to a storage facility and then buying a whole new set of 5000+ brand new tools in an all new much bigger workshop, with room for continually growing our toolset for the foreseeable future.
Line 6 is launching with 16 amps. Not a particularly impressive integer on the face of it, but probably sufficient.
There are 22 items in the Amp model list (16 guitar, 6 bass), but 40 total channels. So if you count models like we did in Helix, Stadium 1.0 will introduce 40 Agoura amps.
 
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Modeling amps, drives, compressors, and the analog sections of mods and time-based effects utilize DSP tools that describe the behavior of those circuits. If you've created, say 100 tools, you can describe the behavior of X number of amps and effects. Some amps and effects might not sound right because your 100 tools are insufficient, so you improve your tools or create new ones, all designed to work within the limitations of your DSP architecture and chipset horsepower.

The next generation might have more DSP so it might afford notably more complex variations of some (or most) existing tools and some all new more DSP-intensive tools, but some tools that work very well might be kept the same. Decades later, your original 100 tools may have ballooned into 1000 or 5000 tools and maybe all but a few of the original tools have been deprecated.

With Agoura, we pivoted to a different approach to the amp modeling process itself, which means (at least for amps) moving most of our existing DSP tools to a storage facility and then buying a whole new set of 5000+ brand new tools in an all new much bigger workshop, with room for continually growing our toolset for the foreseeable future.

There are 22 items in the Amp model list (16 guitar, 6 bass), but 40 total channels. So if you count models like we did in Helix, Stadium 1.0 will introduce 40 Agoura amps.
Cannot wait!!
 
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