Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

Karl Houseknecht said:
Any of these 3 ever done a Helix demo?

The multi brand 2203 comparison of Leon’s featuring the HX Stomp doesn’t count. Edit: Looks like Leon has actually done a number of HX Stomp featured videos that I hadn't seen before. But Kingman and Nielsen come up with zero Helix content that I can find. I don't think they're particularly interested. Kingman does almost all Fractal modeler content. Nielsen has done Kemper (which he sells profiles for) and Tonex.
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Yep.

Leon and Burgs are brilliant fellow Aussies - sadly I'm not anywhere near their leagues :(

They are, to the best of my knowledge, rusted-on Fractal users / supporters ... no problems there ... they use Fractal because to them, its "the best" ... whether they have any sort of formal connection or not is irrelevant.

As such, I would not look to them for any sort of relative or comparative review of Stadium.

Putting aside their chosen platform, they are amazing at demonstrating what a product can and cant do and go out of their way to make it sound as good as they can :)

And yes, I am certain they are paid in cash or kind for their demo's .... its their job .... more power to them !!
 
JiveTurkey said:
I don't want to see Jason Saddites within 50,000 miles of it with his pot of boiled milk.
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GTR37 said:
Imagine if you will
With the new much more powerful CPU
Just how many compressors can be added and side chained
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. For the longest time I wondered what the huge draw was and what all the adoration was about. Really good player, seems like a nice enough guy too. But man...the tone and unnecessary complexity of the presets. Split crossovers, big compression at the end of the chain, no dynamics, boiled milk tone. Ugh.
 
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Karl Houseknecht said:
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. For the longest time I wondered what the huge draw was and what all the adoration was about. Really good player, seems like a nice enough guy too. But man...the tone and unnecessary complexity of the presets. Split crossovers, big compression at the end of the chain, no dynamics, boiled milk tone. Ugh.
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Yes; you are going to have a hi and low cut here and there. If I have to go beyond those levels to ridiculous lengths to make something sound good (pro-tip: you don't); no thank you. Ugh. Bonus points for yelling at people when they commented on his videos and told him the AC/DC tones did not sound like AC/DC :LOL:
 
dk_ace said:
One of my favorite amp features in fractal is being able to adjust the bright cap value. While the huge stock cap has a certain trick to it, for general playing I like a much smaller cap value. The values I prefer are pretty close to what was in the helix plexi model IIRC. The big cap has this extra trash/static type of stuff around the note when you back off the guitar volume or hit it with certain drives and boosts that I just can’t go for. No cap loses the vibe for me too.

If you can’t adjust the cap value, you’re
damned any way you go. Big cap, people will say they hear squirrels still. Small cap, people like James will roast them for missing the full Marshall experience. No cap, a lot of us will complain about it being too dark and missing the sparkle and kerrang of a plexi.

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Yeah, need bright cap as a switchable...they're already implementing bright switches on other amps...think of this the same. Pls do it L6 - pls also add a Variac!
 
banned said:
Yeah, need bright cap as a switchable...they're already implementing bright switches on other amps...think of this the same. Pls do it L6 - pls also add a Variac!
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The existing "Sag" parameter essentially already gives you a tweakable Variac. Just crank it on the Marshall of your choice and see how the response gets "browner".
 
mikah912 said:
The existing "Sag" parameter essentially already gives you a tweakable Variac. Just crank it on the Marshall of your choice and see how the response gets "browner".
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Yes, the Sag parameter works very well to modify feel on a given model (and its effect changes drastically from model to model) - it's actually one of my favorite parameters. But I'm requesting a voltage modifier to specifically modify that one parameter - voltage. It may be possible to get equivalent tone/feel with the Sag knob - but sometimes I just want to play with input voltage.

Where I'm at is that I don't need the full complement of 'under the hood' tools/levers that Fractal exposes - but do desire a few key ones to made available in the HX ecosystem like Variac and Bright Cap.
 
Karl Houseknecht said:
@Digital Igloo did you ever answer the question of why it was named "Stadium"?
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  1. Naming products is the single hardest part of our Product Managers' job. It has literally resulted in dueling Powerpoints with dozens of people in the room all arguing.
  2. "Helix 2" is a milquetoast name and doesn't do justice to the fact that Stadium is a from-the-ground-up endeavor.
  3. "Double Helix" is an even worse name, because what's double? The DSP? The storage? The number of blocks? The number of switches? It's just asking for criticism.
  4. "Helix Stadium" was an early meant-to-be-aspirational working name and it just stuck. No one could come up with anything we hated less.
  5. Did I mention naming products sucks?
 
Digital Igloo said:
  1. Naming products is the single hardest part of our Product Managers' job. It has literally resulted in dueling Powerpoints with dozens of people in the room all arguing.
  2. "Helix 2" is a milquetoast name and doesn't do justice to the fact that Stadium is a from-the-ground-up endeavor.
  3. "Double Helix" is an even worse name, because what's double? The DSP? The storage? The number of blocks? The number of switches? It's just asking for criticism.
  4. "Helix Stadium" was an early meant-to-be-aspirational working name and it just stuck. No one could come up with anything we hated less.
  5. Did I mention naming products sucks?
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I think you're overthinking it. It doesn't have to be that hard - any of those names could have worked. I actually like both Helix 2 and Double Helix quite a bit over Helix Stadium.

But Helix Stadium is what we have. FWIW, I think naming products is fun!
 
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