Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

[Mongillo19]

Musiciansfriend told me Oct 22nd for the XL, FWIW.

That sounds much more reasonable lol

 

[Sascha Franck]

The XL’s treadle has a toe forward switch, correct? Does this mean that it can be a volume pedal and then when you click the toe switch and it can be a Wah (or control anything else)?

Of course.
Unless they've taken that function away, which would be pretty stupid IMO.

 

[GTR37]

Just reading some stadium threads at TOP what a gong show , I think a few are ALTs as they are saying the exact same phrases
They still have not been able to grasp the amp in the room with you next to it ,vs the amp in the control room w a mic on it concept

 

[HomespunEffects]

Of course.
Unless they've taken that function away, which would be pretty stupid IMO.

My experience is with HX Stomp only.

 

[Digital Igloo]

@Digital Igloo said in the presentation that the converters are better than interfaces costing thousands. I was just wondering about that and I’m thinking the reps are making assumptions. See, i was going to order a RME Babyface but that $1000 can go on the Helix Stadium XL.

I never said that. I said the dynamic range on the inputs is better than that of many multi-thousand-dollar audio interfaces. Which it is, measurably. So was the Guitar Input(s) on Helix and HX products, due to a patent we still own.

And all you other people with your "pshaw, marketing guys" can suck it. I'm a designer who got sucked into doing a keynote because no one else would do it.

@Digital Igloo Will the clips that are on a preset be transferable to another preset (not just if I resave/rename?

Eventually, you'll be able to just lock the preset and have it play through whatever preset you want. Then saving the preset will assign the clip to it. Or you'll be able to browse through all presets. That sort of defeats the purpose—hearing a preset designed specifically for that clip/performance—but we'll let you do it.

But at 1.0, the clip is locked to the Factory preset. And you won't be able to record your own clips until a bit later.

The XL’s treadle has a toe forward switch, correct? Does this mean that it can be a volume pedal and then when you click the toe switch and it can be a Wah (or control anything else)?

Yes. If you add Wah (or Pitch Wham or Poly Wham) and Volume blocks, their Position parameters are automatically assigned to EXP 1 and EXP 2, respectively, and pressing the toe switch automatically toggles the bypass state of both of them.

 

[timbuck3]

This is interesting
Perhaps. The AI oracle seems to disagree though:

"The powerful DSP engine in the Helix LT processors is called the HX Modeling engine. This engine is responsible for the authentic sound and feel of the modelled amps, cabs, and effects in the Helix LT. The Helix LT uses a dual DSP HX modeling enginefor processing power. "

"The powerful DSP engine powering the Agoura modeling in Helix Stadium processors is referred to as HX Modeling. This technology is specifically mentioned as being at the core of the Helix Stadium processors, enabling the complex algorithms of the Agoura methodology."

"While it does leverage powerful DSP and features the new Agoura™ modeling methodology, it still uses the dual DSP-powered HX modeling enginefound in previous Helix products like the Helix Floor and Helix LT.
The significant advancements in the Helix Stadium line, which includes the Helix Stadium Floor and XL Floor, are related to:

• New Agoura™ modeling methodology: This is a key area of improvement, delivering enhanced sound and responsiveness.
• Performance workstation capabilities: The Helix Stadium models can function as performance workstations, offering advanced features for writing, learning, jamming, and controlling an entire stage rig.
• New features: These models introduce features like Hype control, Proxy amp/cab/effect cloning, and Showcase automation and playback engine.
• Enhanced user interface: The touch screen and improved layout contribute to a more intuitive experience.

In summary, the Helix Stadium line builds upon the established Helix processing power by introducing new modeling techniques and features, rather than completely overhauling the core DSP."

 

[Digital Igloo]

This is interesting
Perhaps. The AI oracle seems to disagree though:

"The powerful DSP engine in the Helix LT processors is called the HX Modeling engine. This engine is responsible for the authentic sound and feel of the modelled amps, cabs, and effects in the Helix LT. The Helix LT uses a dual DSP HX modeling enginefor processing power. "

"The powerful DSP engine powering the Agoura modeling in Helix Stadium processors is referred to as HX Modeling. This technology is specifically mentioned as being at the core of the Helix Stadium processors, enabling the complex algorithms of the Agoura methodology."

"While it does leverage powerful DSP and features the new Agoura™ modeling methodology, it still uses the dual DSP-powered HX modeling enginefound in previous Helix products like the Helix Floor and Helix LT.
The significant advancements in the Helix Stadium line, which includes the Helix Stadium Floor and XL Floor, are related to:

• New Agoura™ modeling methodology: This is a key area of improvement, delivering enhanced sound and responsiveness.
• Performance workstation capabilities: The Helix Stadium models can function as performance workstations, offering advanced features for writing, learning, jamming, and controlling an entire stage rig.
• New features: These models introduce features like Hype control, Proxy amp/cab/effect cloning, and Showcase automation and playback engine.
• Enhanced user interface: The touch screen and improved layout contribute to a more intuitive experience.

In summary, the Helix Stadium line builds upon the established Helix processing power by introducing new modeling techniques and features, rather than completely overhauling the core DSP."

Huh? It's not so interesting when you understand that ChatGPT and other AI services are very often dead wrong.

 

[timbuck3]

Of course.
Unless they've taken that function away, which would be pretty stupid IMO.

I hope they made this pedal to do both and it’s solid and won’t cause the unit to tip to the right

 

[timbuck3]

Huh? It's not so interesting when you understand that ChatGPT and other AI services are very often dead wrong.

I know there’s just a lot of disinformation on the stadium out there.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

[…] I'm a designer who got sucked into doing a keynote because no one else would do it. […]

Okay, enough with the understatement. You designed a keynote that made even Tim (pre)order the product you presented. A pretty impressive achievement.

 

[Mongillo19]

I know there’s just a lot of disinformation on the stadium out there.

Well yeah, if you use AI and ChatGPT I can't really think of much disinformation. Any examples?

 

[GTR37]

Well yeah, if you use AI and ChatGPT I can't really think of much disinformation. Any examples?

This one

Helix stadium is a new product from line 6 announced June 11 th
Amp list of models expect in version 1.0 although this list is subject to change
2203 XTC
FAS Ballcrusher
FAS Modern
Victor Squid
And Archetype Esteban

 

[Lysander]

Huh? It's not so interesting when you understand that ChatGPT and other AI services are very often dead wrong.

I would be the happiest person in the universe if people stopped posting ChatGPT answers as facts, and AI image slops as fun.

 

[Mooselake]

Huh? It's not so interesting when you understand that ChatGPT and other AI services are very often dead wrong.

Is there anything that can be said at present (if the answer is no, that's fine, I'll wait--my preorder is in and won't change unless I develop a little more patience and switch from the XL preorder to a non-XL preorder) about what I'll call the DSP architecture? By that I mean, is it going to follow the basic dual signal paths each with it's own dedicated hardware powering it a la OG? And that question isn't a masked criticism of OG--I was always perfectly content with the old arrangement. Just curious about what's to come.

 

[essemmarr]

I know there’s just a lot of disinformation on the stadium out there.

never considered blocking you through all your "will not buy" shenanigans but if you're going to insist on copy-pasting AI slop that YOU KNOW IS GARBAGE to junk up the thread, off you go. fuck's sake, use your head.

 

[Mongillo19]

never considered blocking you through all your "will not buy" shenanigans but if you're going to insist on copy-pasting AI slop that YOU KNOW IS GARBAGE to junk up the thread, off you go. fuck's sake, use your head.

*Posts AI misinformation*

WHY IS THERE SO MUCH MISINFORMATION

 

[timbuck3]

Is there anything that can be said at present (if the answer is no, that's fine, I'll wait--my preorder is in and won't change unless I develop a little more patience and switch from the XL preorder to a non-XL preorder) about what I'll call the DSP architecture? By that I mean, is it going to follow the basic dual signal paths each with it's own dedicated hardware powering it a la OG? And that question isn't a masked criticism of OG--I was always perfectly content with the old arrangement. Just curious about what's to come.

I was thinking non xl and maybe switching to that instead of xl but being visual the scribble strips and having all in one pedal is a plus as is the various impedance inputs

 

[molul]

I know there’s just a lot of disinformation on the stadium out there.

If you count AI generated texts which are always adviced not to be taken as facts by the very AI provider, and some posts here and there by people who didn't fully get a few things (which is normal and expected), instead of what Line6 has communicated so far, yes.

But you get how absurd that statement is, right?

 

[timbuck3]

If you count AI generated texts which are always adviced not to be taken as facts by the very AI provider, and some posts here and there by people who didn't fully get a few things (which is normal and expected), instead of what Line6 has communicated so far, yes.

But you get how absurd that statement is, right?

I wonder if there’s a reason why line 6 is not at least coming out with what kind of processors and stuff they’re using inside of it if it really is that much better than the helix regular just curious

 

[molul]

I wonder if there’s a reason why line 6 is not at least coming out with what kind of processors and stuff they’re using inside of it if it really is that much better than the helix regular just curious

I wonder if there's currently a reason to come out with that just because some forum user is curious about that