Line 6 Helix Stadium Pre-Launch Discussion

Expression pedal assigned to the mix for your delay and reverb. Set the minimum to whatever you think would ever be the minimum you'd want, and the max likewise. 20-40% for example. Then you can ride it throughout the song even.
 
Eagle said:
Can’t you just have home and gigging versions ? It’s not like you are short of preset space.
Click to expand...

It's not about that at all. Different gigs demand different settings. Even the same gig may. Add to this that creating your patches at home doesn't necessarily result in gig-worthy patches, so you need to make corrections.
 
Orvillain said:
Expression pedal assigned to the mix for your delay and reverb. Set the minimum to whatever you think would ever be the minimum you'd want, and the max likewise. 20-40% for example. Then you can ride it throughout the song even.
Click to expand...

Been there. But it's a *very* different thing from being able to set the overall maximum globally.
 
EOengineer said:
I can see some value here for those of us gigging and using multiple presets. I’ve run into issues where a verb or delay is too wet live and I don’t want to adjust it temporarily and separately across 10 presets while I’m on stage.
Click to expand...

See - and for me it's not only that.

Just one extreme example (and I could come up with several similar ones, just not as extreme): Last year, I've been asked to play a gig with some folks I didn't know at all. I knew most of the songs, though. So everything was fine. Just that when I showed up I learned that they were kinda replacing the keyboard position with another guitar - yeah, quite weird, but apparently they really couldn't find a keyboarder and someone had told them I'd be able to play most chords sufficiently as well (thank you, Mr. <not-to-be-named-here>). So, my main role that evening has been to supply some thick chords and stuff, at least kinda mimicking the function of a keyboard. For that to work, one prerequisite has been to deliver a way thicker clean sound than what I'd usually use if there actually was a keyboard player. And very obviously, my patches weren't prepared for such a situation. Well, due to the hybrid nature of my rig, I was still able to adjust things accordingly (and very quickly), without having to re-program and re-save anything.

As said, this is a very extreme example, but I'm running into sort of similar situations on many gigs.
 
Sascha Franck said:
See - and for me it's not only that.

Just one extreme example (and I could come up with several similar ones, just not as extreme): Last year, I've been asked to play a gig with some folks I didn't know at all. I knew most of the songs, though. So everything was fine. Just that when I showed up I learned that they were kinda replacing the keyboard position with another guitar - yeah, quite weird, but apparently they really couldn't find a keyboarder and someone had told them I'd be able to play most chords sufficiently as well (thank you, Mr. <not-to-be-named-here>). So, my main role that evening has been to supply some thick chords and stuff, at least kinda mimicking the function of a keyboard. For that to work, one prerequisite has been to deliver a way thicker clean sound than what I'd usually use if there actually was a keyboard player. And very obviously, my patches weren't prepared for such a situation. Well, due to the hybrid nature of my rig, I was still able to adjust things accordingly (and very quickly), without having to re-program and re-save anything.

As said, this is a very extreme example, but I'm running into sort of similar situations on many gigs.
Click to expand...
I’ll make it easy - you don’t have to convince me. If this forum has proven anything, it’s that our contexts are as varied as the music we play. I’m all for gear supporting workflows I don’t use, so long as it also supports workflows I do use.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Sure.

In a nutshell, for live playing (it's possibly way less relevant for any other application) I want "analog-alike" setup handling. The two key things possibly being:

- Quick access to the most relevant parameters that I know I would like to tweak to accomodate whatever gigging situation. Mainly amp tonestacks, lead levels, spatial FX mix. For somewhat more comfort, I wouldn't mind dirt pedal parameters and maybe the ocassional modulation effect I might be using more often throughout the gig.

- I would want all these to be globally valid. As in: When calling up preset B, the tweaks I did in preset A would still be there.

As far as why I want that goes: I just need (or sometimes just want) to be able to do that because of the highly varying nature of the gigs I play, very often some where there's no or just soundcheck rehearsals. Creating dedicated patches to suit each thinkable scenario is pretty much impossible for those kinda gigs.
But I also sometimes just want it for personal reasons. I might want to use another main guitar. Or I might feel more like rocking out instead of playing sort of decently (most of the gigs I play allow for that kinda freedom).

And that's about it, really. There'd be some other benefits coming along with these things, but the two points listed above are the main reasons.
Click to expand...
Thanks, then my own thoughts weren’t totally off. The way I’m seeing it, and that could be beneficial for us bedroom dwellers as well, is seeing some blocks almost like physical pieces. I for example could see ”my” amp inside of the Helixverse acting as an ”anchor” (or ”linked” block) through a set of presets. So my anchors have the same settings but everything else is fluid and interchangeable. And physically I will constantly tweak the controls of my real amp and main OD to suit taste-of-the-moment, different guitars and even frickin’ aged string that are duller over time. (Yes I don’t change strings frequently enough). The rest is as I wrote fluid, so the signal chain, various FX etc changes according to needs between presets while the ”anchors” stay the same.

I’d really like something like this at least. I have too many set and forget presets that I don’t go back to from not using Favorites and constantly tweaking amp settings. Having a quick way to reach anchor-parameters would be awesome as well.
 
Reading about external midi editing, I think it could be cool having a new "custom control panel" with a subset of parameters of all the presets blocks.

It could be a grid with 4x8 parameters that you can assign, so you don't need to go to every block to change a certain parameter, but instead you go to your custom panel and you have all the important ones there.

That could be in the desktop and mobile app, so instead of a midi controller you would only need a tablet.
 
Progressive_disclosure said:
The way I’m seeing it, and that could be beneficial for us bedroom dwellers as well, is seeing some blocks almost like physical pieces. I for example could see ”my” amp inside of the Helixverse acting as an ”anchor” (or ”linked” block) through a set of presets. So my anchors have the same settings but everything else is fluid and interchangeable. And physically I will constantly tweak the controls of my real amp and main OD to suit taste-of-the-moment, different guitars and even frickin’ aged string that are duller over time. (Yes I don’t change strings frequently enough). The rest is as I wrote fluid, so the signal chain, various FX etc changes according to needs between presets while the ”anchors” stay the same.
Click to expand...

All that would be entirely possible with my proposal of how global blocks could work.
 
Sascha Franck said:
It's not about that at all. Different gigs demand different settings. Even the same gig may. Add to this that creating your patches at home doesn't necessarily result in gig-worthy patches, so you need to make corrections.
Click to expand...
I wasn’t suggesting he made live patches at home I was saying have a duplicate set tweaked drier and eq for live. It’s not that complicated.
 
My needs over the years have been pretty damn complicated, and I've jumped through all the hoops you could ever imagine. My setup eventually got to the point of having a dedicated guitar setup, Ableton setup, and vocal setup, all at once.

I made it work. Somehow.

I did occasionally tweak values on the Helix presets I had. Quickly blasting through 10 presets to change a reverb from 30% to 25% ... wasn't really that arduous. But generally I got it all right and sounding good enough at band rehearsals.

When I really think about what I neeeeeeed from Helix Stadium.... very little of it actually has to do with workflow. Helix workflow is perfectly acceptable to me. It's all DSP and power/resources related for me.
 
We just want a batch of presets to behave like a pedalboard, it ain’t complicated. On Helix I had to use snapshots in a big ass preset or spillover and lose half my processing. Haven’t missed either of those features with the GT-1000 because I can build my all in one preset, save each effect as a stompbox then copy the preset as many places as I want and edit things across all of them from any of them.
 
p30better said:
We just want a batch of presets to behave like a pedalboard, it ain’t complicated. On Helix I had to use snapshots in a big ass preset or spillover and lose half my processing. Haven’t missed either of those features with the GT-1000 because I can build my all in one preset, save each effect as a stompbox then copy the preset as many places as I want and edit things across all of them from any of them.
Click to expand...
So GT1000 allows for defining more than 8 stomps? Well, I guess that's why Stadium is supposed to allow for up to... Was it 26 with external controllers?

I understand that use case, although it's not for me. Maybe for jamming it could be convenient, but for songs it wouldn't work for me.
 
molul said:
So GT1000 allows for defining more than 8 stomps? Well, I guess that's why Stadium is supposed to allow for up to... Was it 26 with external controllers?

I understand that use case, although it's not for me. Maybe for jamming it could be convenient, but for songs it wouldn't work for me.
Click to expand...
Kind of? Each preset can be its own “snapshot” and each “snapshot” can have its own control assignments for the switches. If you’re using the presets like snapshots and keeping the same signal chain you can switch between them all with spillover. So I’ll build my whole kitchen sink preset with my amps and fx that I need for a song, set everything for my rhythm preset, save it, turn on and off stuff for the preset, save it to the next preset, turn on and off everything for my lead preset, save to next slot, etc. Just like snapshots in one preset. Then with my amps and drives and EQs as “stomp boxes” I can copy that preset, change all the special fx for different models, repeat the process as needed. But with the core tones as globals, when I edit my amps or drives or whatever that will show up EVERYWHERE I’d want it for a gig once I save it. If I need to adjust something as a one-off in a song/preset I just don’t save the patch and the globals won’t be updated for the rest of them.
 
p30better said:
We just want a batch of presets to behave like a pedalboard, it ain’t complicated. On Helix I had to use snapshots in a big ass preset or spillover and lose half my processing. Haven’t missed either of those features with the GT-1000 because I can build my all in one preset, save each effect as a stompbox then copy the preset as many places as I want and edit things across all of them from any of them.
Click to expand...

This!
 
EOengineer said:
I want to live in a backwards world where L6 launches Agoura with 4 amp models and zero apologies:
  1. Crate Blue Voodoo
  2. Marshall Valvestate
  3. Peavey Bandit
Click to expand...

I'd unapologetically would love the shit out of those. These are amp sounds which were very popular at the time, and featured on classic records... yet somehow ignored by all modelling companies; we need more of those than we do yet another JCM800 mod.

See also Sansamps, which is a sound that was everywhere back in the early '90s.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

laxu
Line 6 Helix Stadium Talk
136 137 138
Replies
3K
Views
93K
MIJLOVER
M
timeblock
🎸 Line 6 Helix Stadium XL – Factory Presets Test
Replies
0
Views
119
timeblock
timeblock
LCW
  • Poll Poll
Did you pre-order the Helix Stadium?
40 41 42
Replies
823
Views
34K
MIJLOVER
M
R
"Letter" to Line 6 about Helix Stadium and Acoustic Guitar
2 3 4
Replies
76
Views
5K
ragingplatypi
ragingplatypi
T
  • Sticky
Fractal and Helix Stadium presets
2
Replies
36
Views
2K
mikah912
M
Back
Top