Kemper Profiler MK 2

[Ed DeGenaro]

Enter, TINA.

I used to

 

[QQQ]

I used to

 

[Orvillain]

I used to

But then you took an arrow in the knee?

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

But then you took an arrow in the knee?

Took many things, in many parts. Arrow was never one.

 

[Gary_W]

Kemper IMO is nowhere near that point, so I think they deserve a lot more grace than most people are offering. They have a history of under promising and over delivering. I don't think they ever promised to overhaul and expand all their effects, or add wifi editing, or randomly implementing a USB audio driver a decade after launch. So I'm not going to join in and rip the company for missing the summer deadline. I don't think we're going to be waiting for Mk2 profiling five years from now like people are still waiting for plugin compatibility on the QC.

However while they may not be at risk of losing credibility, they are at risk of losing the small amount of market share they current have. Kemper is no longer a sexy product and high definition profiling is not a killer feature (Tonex already has this). I'm rooting for them (and still have a Kemper Player) but I don't see them growing out of the niche market any time soon.

And voting with dollars, I picked up a Fender Tone Master Pro and am really enjoying it. Most people are waiting for the Stadium release which will probably be the biggest modeler launch since QC. Kemper can't really afford to be running their customers off IMO.

Well put - they still have much to offer and, if the mk2 profiling is good, they’ll make a lot of people very happy. Selling themselves better via friendly communications when possible would help them imo. It costs you some time but I think the payback is worth it. They clearly don’t agree with me on this :)

 

[LP59]

The Kemper website still says they expect to release the new profiling this summer. Instead, it's starting to look like the release will coincide with the Stadium release. If that happens, any news of the Kemper release will get buried by the Line6 Steamroller. I'm trying to think of a way they could have done a worse job of managing this release, but I can't think of anything.

 

[dean701]

The Kemper website still says they expect to release the new profiling this summer. Instead, it's starting to look like the release will coincide with the Stadium release. If that happens, any news of the Kemper release will get buried by the Line6 Steamroller. I'm trying to think of a way they could have done a worse job of managing this release, but I can't think of anything.

they could play the NDSP card and never release the feature at all?

 

[JiveTurkey]

they could play the NDSP card and never release the feature at all?

 

[paisleywookiee]

Unwatching this thread, because I've mustered all the fucks I could possibly muster, for this shit show of a release.

 

[dean701]

Hey Clubber.
What's your prediction for this release?

 

[Chocol8]

they could play the NDSP card and never release the feature at all?

I would not be shocked. If they tested it and it falls short of NAM and Tonex v2, and they don't think they can fix that with their architecture limitations, I could definitely see them throwing in the towel.

 

[dean701]

I would not be shocked. If they tested it and it falls short of NAM and Tonex v2, and they don't think they can fix that with their architecture limitations, I could definitely see them throwing in the towel.

Agreed. My original post was more of a dig at Neural but I don't agree with future product release announcements at all.
I know why they do it. "Wait don't buy the other product, we have something coming"
However, it just raises expectations. If Stadium Proxy stinks they'll wish they never told anyone it was on their roadmap

 

[Chocol8]

Agreed. My original post was more of a dig at Neural but I don't agree with future product release announcements at all.
I know why they do it. "Wait don't buy the other product, we have something coming"
However, it just raises expectations. If Stadium Proxy stinks they'll wish they never told anyone it was on their roadmap

People get mad either way. If they don't say anything, everyone who bought in the last 6 months (or longer for some people) will feel like they deserved a warning that the XXX they just bought was about to be outdated.

 

[Dimiguitar]

I would not be shocked. If they tested it and it falls short of NAM and Tonex v2, and they don't think they can fix that with their architecture limitations, I could definitely see them throwing in the towel.

But even if MKII profiling isn't as good as tonex V2 and NAM, it can still be a significant upgrade from MKI profiling.

If on the other hand Kemper chose to release nothing (even though their site could maybe list summer for years), that would be PR disaster for them, in my view.

 

[texhex]

Waiting for some to make a Profile of a Mk.2 Kemper Profile using a Mk.1 Kemper and the Mk. 1 Profile sounds identical to the Mk. 2 Profile.

Good ole' ToneJunkie could start selling Mk.1 Profiles of Profiles make from the Mk.2 because God knows he has enough Kempers sitting around.

 

[Antipodes]

"Under normal circumstances, anyone who said Mk1 and Mk2 that many times would be as dead as fried chicken."

 

[Guitar guy]

Waiting for some to make a Profile of a Mk.2 Kemper Profile using a Mk.1 Kemper and the Mk. 1 Profile sounds identical to the Mk. 2 Profile.

Good ole' ToneJunkie could start selling Mk.1 Profiles of Profiles make from the Mk.2 because God knows he has enough Kempers sitting around.

I don’t think that would work. I have two mk1 profilers, I once tried using the second one to create a profile of a profile running on the first one. The original profile was a great sounding tube amp high gain profile, so plenty of tube tone distortion.

The results were awful, the profile of a profile sounded really bad. I tried lots of tweaking the profiling process, but nothing worked.

My reason for trying it was that I had an EQ effect assigned to one of the post stack slots in the original profiler. I had hoped that by profiling that profile with a second Kemper I could “hard bake” the EQ into the new profile, freeing up that effects slot. No such luck.

 

[Dimiguitar]

I don’t think that would work. I have two mk1 profilers, I once tried using the second one to create a profile of a profile running on the first one. The original profile was a great sounding tube amp high gain profile, so plenty of tube tone distortion.

The results were awful, the profile of a profile sounded really bad. I tried lots of tweaking the profiling process, but nothing worked.

My reason for trying it was that I had an EQ effect assigned to one of the post stack slots in the original profiler. I had hoped that by profiling that profile with a second Kemper I could “hard bake” the EQ into the new profile, freeing up that effects slot. No such luck.

I tried this with making multiple profiles. First one of the original, then one of the copy, etc etc. Eventually ended up sounding like a Hollywood alien choking on cat hairballs

 

[laxu]

I tried this with making multiple profiles. First one of the original, then one of the copy, etc etc. Eventually ended up sounding like a Hollywood alien choking on cat hairballs

Sounds like the "good" old days of cassettes. Friend of a friend bought an album on cassette, then by the time it got to you it was on a copy-of-a-copy-of-a-copy that had significantly degraded in audio quality.

 

[Gary_W]

Sounds like the "good" old days of cassettes. Friend of a friend bought an album on cassette, then by the time it got to you it was on a copy-of-a-copy-of-a-copy that had significantly degraded in audio quality.

And that’s probably why I’ve got several different tape emulations in my DAW - my old ears are regressing back to their childhood.

Ironic that record companies used to have the campaign that ‘home taping is going to kill live music’ and yet that same industry now makes it almost impossible for smaller artists to make a living due to their streaming models being crazy unfair.

My kids have grown up with instant access to any artist, no charge, as I subscribe to such things. They’ll never know the frustrated, excited terror where you had one chance that week to record a new song from the radio charts show *you’d only read about in the music press but hadn’t heard yet*. This was accomplished with a hand held microphone feeding a tape recorded sat next to a cheap mono radio. Persuading everyone in the house to just be quiet for 3 mins and 40 seconds whilst it was on. And then your mum shouted that tea was ready half way through.

Getting quite misty eyed here :)