To be honest, I feel the same way about computer editors as well because a mouse ain't a knob, so it has the same issue as a touch screen does. The "motion" doesn't really match the things you're interacting with on the screen. It needs to twist.
To be honest, I feel the same way about computer editors as well because a mouse ain't a knob, so it has the same issue as a touch screen does. The "motion" doesn't really match the things you're interacting with on the screen. It needs to twist.
Yes, but it's complex and requires a pretty smart, custom controller like Midi Captain/PySwitch. You can get the value and also get the text that Kemper would display.
And then there's the question of if you can have two devices attached to the Kemper at the same time which use this complex midi.
There are a few things on the FC which is not documented/discovered for Kemper Midi (e.g., Looper status/time position).
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All? IMO, there's little to no chance of that. I personally would go back to amps and analog pedals if all modelers and the like relied on iOS or Android devices.
It's tempting to think that any given choice will become universal (you see this in the discussions about NAM). That's an understandably appealing prospect for people who like a particular design choice. But it's much more likely that a diversity hardware and software design choices and feature sets will exist, catering to different preferences.
I'll tolerate a touch screen that I don't have to use much (which is more than I thought I could say a year or so ago). I'm on board with computer-based deep-dive sound editors for pedals or modelers. But count me as being on team knobs.
I'm likely in the "Hybrid" approach club myself.
My 2016 Honda Accord went way overboard with LCD touchscreens and almost no knobs at all (not even for volume!). I decidedly did not like that (and they added more knobs in later models).
My X32 Rack mixer has a GUI and knobs/buttons to control it, but it is pretty clunky to do so. The PC editor and tablet/phone interfaces are very mature and it works quite well.
For a digital amp, it just seems like the complexity justifies more control than can afford to be put on small devices. The Kemper Player is a great example IMO. There are just so many things that need to be controlled that the interface doesn't fit on the device.
The FM3 and the HX stomp are good examples as well.
The Kemper's Ui/Ux is already considered "clunky" even with all its knobs. It was clunky in 2013 when I bought it!
So, for me, this comes down to 4 different use cases:
1) Gig setup, song tones, and real time modification control setup (done with a full editor on a PC)
2) Gig control (done with either a foot controller or MIDI or a combination of these two
3) Just messing around at home (done with a full editor on a PC)
4) Jam session (??)
So it's the last one where things get harry. Bending over and making adjustments to a small pedal with menu diving is tough. On our old tube amps, we would have been limited (mostly) to a little eq (my VHT UL had a 6 band master eq and a 3 band eq on each channel (clean and drive channels) along with a bunch of push buttons and of course .... gain for the drive channel.
A simple UI could be easily made today to do this wirelessly with a CME WiDi device and a phone. The channel switching could be done by a set manager for each song, and a midi pedal could do real time changes (like boost, patch change) in the middle of the song.
Honestly, gigging with my tube amp rigs was limited. I could only have 2 main sounds, then everything else was on the pedal board. There was certainly nothing simple about most pedal boards either.
My point is, that maybe we old dogs will have to learn some new tricks for the future. It is a BETTER future in my book. Smaller, less expensive, and MUCH more comprehensive tone control with capabilities I couldn't even imagine 20 years ago.
So, I now need a tablet/phone for control and monitoring at a show. I do that anyway and see lots of other bands that do the same. Maybe this is the equivalent of cell phones vs home wall mounted phones of the past?
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To me "hybrid" approaches are always the way to go.
If I could, I'd rather control even the computer editor with a MIDI knob controller. There's nothing as "un-rock n' roll" as tweaking settings with a freakin' mouse or touchscreen. But nothing supports this sort of hybrid solution. You can't use e.g Axe-Edit with a MIDI knob controller automatically mapped to params in the current block on screen.
So the best case scenario is touchscreen + knobs.
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You explained what works for you, and I believe you completely. My entire 31 year career has been in technology, from research institutions to big tech. I also know players in their 20s who feel the way I do. This isn't a matter of fear of change or absolute superiority. It's a matter of preference of playing experience.
Which is why I think folks like you will get what you want, and folks like me will be able to keep what we like. My only objection was to your use of the term "all." All devices will not be for you. All devices will not be for me. As it is now, I'm sure. There will be healthy differentiation in the market, as there usually is when the market itself is healthy.
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A bit off topic but I had a 2016 Honda CR-V and then a 2017 CR-V that had an overhauled touch screen. I liked the first one okay but the second one had Apple CarPlay and that's been awesome. Just made the last payment on it!
Anyways, for live use I don't think I'd use the Kemper Player. It seems really good for living on a desk or a small board where it's hooked up to a computer. But there's just not enough controls and feedback for all the functionality it has. You'd really want to bump up to the Stage or get into a hybrid rig with pedals, and if you go the latter then it kind of makes more sense to go Tonex at half the cost.
Side note, I honestly think it's bullshit they keep closing and locking threads on the official forum asking for the lock function to be added to the Player saying they can't physically do it. They added a lot of functionality to the Player after the release that wasn't previously announced. There's adjustments in the Player you can only make through rig manager (such as global cabinet smoothing or whatever it's called).
I wouldn't have used the Kemper Player before I automated with Band Helper and CME WiDi wireless MIDI adapter. I think I could get along with just the 3 buttons which would give 3 different tones in a single song (which is all I have needed for any song we have ever done .... so far).
I do agree, that without the setlist automation, this wouldn't work. This is why I bought the rack and foot controller. I really needed the LCD and all the buttons to control everything I needed for a show. Now most of that is being done with a piece of software.
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Yep, agreed! KPP with automation is super cool, by itself you'd need to know your set and your tones inside and out.
I was banned from the Kemper forum (for a week). No indication of why, and no warning. I am guessing they must be a little sensitive about my posts indicating that there is no engineering reason that an MK1 could not PLAY a "High Res" MK2 profile.
Considering the length of time I have posted there and my overwhelming support of the Kemper ecosystem, it seems unusual that they would ban me for speculating.
Seems like there are 2 explanations for this:
1) Kemper doesn't want talk of future MK1 updates to inhibit MK2 sales
2) Kemper has the goods with the new MK2 profiling, and doesn't want their reputation to be tarnished by someone insinuating that MK1 could be made to play as good as MK2 and Kemper is just forcing people to buy new hardware to pad their profits with essentially the same hardware.
I don't believe that MK1 is actually NOT capable of playing back high res MK2 profiles since the DSP has not been changed. It just doesn't make any sense to me from an engineering standpoint. If there were some changes made that make it true, I would think that a moderator (or a Kemper engineer. They have actually chimed in on that forum before) would simply have explained what changed that makes my assumption incorrect.
I knew that @Orvillain had been band from Kemper forums before, but considering his distain for their product, I figured he had pissed in their Wheaties. It is remarkably un-nerving to have anything at all in common with Orvillain.
Considering the length of time I have posted there and my overwhelming support of the Kemper ecosystem, it seems unusual that they would ban me for speculating.
Seems like there are 2 explanations for this:
1) Kemper doesn't want talk of future MK1 updates to inhibit MK2 sales
2) Kemper has the goods with the new MK2 profiling, and doesn't want their reputation to be tarnished by someone insinuating that MK1 could be made to play as good as MK2 and Kemper is just forcing people to buy new hardware to pad their profits with essentially the same hardware.
I don't believe that MK1 is actually NOT capable of playing back high res MK2 profiles since the DSP has not been changed. It just doesn't make any sense to me from an engineering standpoint. If there were some changes made that make it true, I would think that a moderator (or a Kemper engineer. They have actually chimed in on that forum before) would simply have explained what changed that makes my assumption incorrect.
I knew that @Orvillain had been band from Kemper forums before, but considering his distain for their product, I figured he had pissed in their Wheaties. It is remarkably un-nerving to have anything at all in common with Orvillain.
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I was banned when I told a mod to go fuck themselves, after I was kicked off the beta team for simply being complimentary to the Quad Cortex.
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The mod responded to your post to say why you were banned. He said your post about aliasing was off-topic. Your post was full of mistakes, but I don't think that's why you were banned. It seems it was the fact it was off-topic that was the problem. They run an authoritarian regime over there.
If you need help with something, I'd suggest contacting their tech support and don't bother using the forum. That's what I do.
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That’s it, I’m never buying a Kemper! This seals it for me!
Just kidding. I wasn’t going to anyway, since they’re just painting 12 year old tech.
Just kidding. I wasn’t going to anyway, since they’re just painting 12 year old tech.
I'm sure I will see the response when my ban is lifted, but since I can't log in ....
As far as off-topic goes, a warning would have worked just fine. It isn't like I told a mod to fuck themselves
.I spend too much time on forums anyway. It's a hobby in its own right. I should probably spend more time fiddling with my gear (I do plenty of that too, but more might be better :) ).
