Kemper Profiler MK 2

[laxu]

Spring and autumn in Finland:

Winter:

Summer, which last for about 2 days:

Thanks to global warming, we've been able to stretch it to two weeks.

So by that notion I expect the new Kemper modeling to release somewhere between that guy putting on a shirt, and the yard swing freezing again.

 

[BenIfin]

Call me skeptical, but this seems to be taking quite some time to "release" .... although I guess Euro Summer isn't over yet

 

[Sascha Franck]

I was banned when I told a mod to go fuck themselves

Did they at least follow your advice?

 

[Orvillain]

Did they at least follow your advice?

To this day, nobody knows. They can just smell ointment in the air, and hear the screams of ghostly apparitions wandering through the city.

 

[LP59]

Call me skeptical, but this seems to be taking quite some time to "release" .... although I guess Euro Summer isn't over yet

Things have changed since Kemper announced their new profiling and the Mk2. Line6 announced an entire new generation of modeler. Kemper might now be regretting their new profiling announcement, and might be hoping people have forgotten about it.

 

[Jarick]

Things have changed since Kemper announced their new profiling and the Mk2. Line6 announced an entire new generation of modeler. Kemper might now be regretting their new profiling announcement, and might be hoping people have forgotten about it.

That makes no sense, why would Kemper release a new product and hope people forget about it?

We're nowhere close to QC levels of time slip. We're still several weeks inside of the expected time frame for the announced release.

 

[LP59]

That makes no sense, why would Kemper release a new product and hope people forget about it?

It hasn't been released . Anyway, the competitive landscape has changed since then and Kemper has walked back the claims from their first announcement, so even Kemper's enthusiasm about the new profiling seems to be waning. My point is they may be having second thoughts about whether this was a good idea.

 

[Dez]

It hasn't been released . Anyway, the competitive landscape has changed since then and Kemper has walked back the claims from their first announcement, so even Kemper's enthusiasm about the new profiling seems to be waning. My point is they may be having second thoughts about whether this was a good idea.

This kind of talk is purely pulled out of thin air, pure speculation and it makes no business sense to hope your potential customers forget you’re about to release a new product, this is like ANTI-business 101

 

[ian_dissonance]

this is like ANTI-business 101

so is thinking that nobody is going to move in the space for a decade and just keep telling people everything is perfect as-is, but here we are.

 

[Dez]

so is thinking that nobody is going to move in the space for a decade and just keep telling people everything is perfect as-is, but here we are.

Yeah I don’t have an opinion on that, but to spend all that R&D, manufacturing costs, marketing, etc etc etc and then go “omg Line 6 is releasing something, better curl in a ball and shut down” is just stupid and I can’t believe someone would think a company would do that.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Yeah I don’t have an opinion on that, but to spend all that R&D, manufacturing costs, marketing, etc etc etc and then go “omg Line 6 is releasing something, better curl in a ball and shut down” is just stupid and I can’t believe someone would think a company would do that.

While I agree with your latter part, they did just slap a fresh coat of paint on a decade old processor. There doesn’t seem to be much in the of R&D.

 

[LP59]

Yeah I don’t have an opinion on that, but to spend all that R&D, manufacturing costs, marketing, etc etc etc and then go “omg Line 6 is releasing something, better curl in a ball and shut down” is just stupid and I can’t believe someone would think a company would do that.

For the new profiling? They have done no marketing, no manufacturing, and we have no idea of the size of the R&D. The Mk2 hardware update was about the smallest update humanly possible.

I'm not saying they are doing anything stupid. I'm just saying they might not be as enthusiastic about the new profiling as they were three months ago, and that may be why there hasn't been any news.

 

[Dez]

For the new profiling? They have done no marketing, no manufacturing, and we have no idea of the size of the R&D. The Mk2 hardware update was about the smallest update humanly possible.

I'm not saying they are doing anything stupid. I'm just saying they might not be as enthusiastic about the new profiling as they were three months ago, and that may be why there hasn't been any news.

You’re spouting random thoughts that have no basis in reality - just what you think might be happening, is why I replied. It’s just garbage really

 

[LP59]

You’re spouting random thoughts that have no basis in reality - just what you think might be happening, is why I replied. It’s just garbage really

It's an opinion, based on the facts I cited. If opinions bother you, wow, are you ever in the wrong place.

 

[Dez]

And I’m not a kemper guy or ever will be, FYI, I don’t give a fuck about this company, but I think a lot of stupid shit is said about companies by armchair experts on this site like they know what’s going on, and honestly I don’t see how it’s valuable at all to the conversation

 

[Dez]

It's an opinion, based on the facts I cited. If opinions bother you, wow, are you ever in the wrong place.

Lol what facts, that they’re quiet and Line 6 announced a product so you fit a square peg in a round hole?

Edit: I love talking about opinions when it isn’t diarrhea to fill a forum void

 

[Sascha Franck]

You’re spouting random thoughts that have no basis in reality - just what you think might be happening, is why I replied. It’s just garbage really

I actually don't think it's complete garbage. The hardware update seems in fact to be as minimalistic as it gets, so they really didn't spend much efforts on a HW redesign. And given what is known about the software architecture so far, there's not too much to write home about, either.

Now, I don't see this as a completely bad thing per se (as said quite some times before in this very thread, I think the Kemper is an incredibly well laid out piece of kit that I had zero problems with when using one even if my familiarity tends to be almost zero), so that might certainly attract existing users (at least in case the new profiling is noticeably better), but it's pretty far away from a product making me think "wow, that's something tons of research, manpower and R&D went into."

For me, it always seemed to be that they're kinda pretty full of themselves (perhaps partially deservedly so, but still...), so they possibly didn't exactly realize that what they offer with Mk2 won't attract too many folks, especially new users.

But I do agree with you that they most likely won't "better curl in a ball and shut down". And in case the new profiling and cab sim stuff will in fact bring something to the table, things likely won't end up as a complete desaster, either. As said, the platform is pretty mature (IMO well within the top 3, along with L6 and FAS) and by now, their asking prices could be called at least somewhat competitive (they may have to go down somewhat, though, also depending on the impact of the vanilla HX Stadium).

Whatever, I guess we can all agree that, even if the new profiling will turn out to be a substantial improvement, this release is quite far away from being stunning or anything.

 

[LP59]

I actually don't think it's complete garbage. The hardware update seems in fact to be as minimalistic as it gets, so they really didn't spend much efforts on a HW redesign. And given what is known about the software architecture so far, there's not too much to write home about, either.

Now, I don't see this as a completely bad thing per se (as said quite some times before in this very thread, I think the Kemper is an incredibly well laid out piece of kit that I had zero problems with when using one even if my familiarity tends to be almost zero), so that might certainly attract existing users (at least in case the new profiling is noticeably better), but it's pretty far away from a product making me think "wow, that's something tons of research, manpower and R&D went into."

For me, it always seemed to be that they're kinda pretty full of themselves (perhaps partially deservedly so, but still...), so they possibly didn't exactly realize that what they offer with Mk2 won't attract too many folks, especially new users.

But I do agree with you that they most likely won't "better curl in a ball and shut down". And in case the new profiling and cab sim stuff will in fact bring something to the table, things likely won't end up as a complete desaster, either. As said, the platform is pretty mature (IMO well within the top 3, along with L6 and FAS) and by now, their asking prices could be called at least somewhat competitive (they may have to go down somewhat, though, also depending on the impact of the vanilla HX Stadium).

Whatever, I guess we can all agree that, even if the new profiling will turn out to be a substantial improvement, this release is quite far away from being stunning or anything.

To a certain degree, Kemper's success has left little room for improvement. But the larger factor limiting their opportunities for improvement is their existing architecture. The cpu they use is what it is and will never change. The Mk2 is proof of that. Look at the fixed effects. Obviously they were constrained by cpu limitations and couldn't do as dramatic an update as they would have liked.

Whether the new profiling will be "stunning" remains to be seen, but even Kemper doesn't seem to think so. They have edited the announcement to use increasingly vague terms to describe it. First it was "most accurate". Then it was "most precise". Now it's "most powerful". Next, I expect they will say it's "most adorable".

Nobody is saying they will curl up and shut down, but if you look at the minimal effort they put into the Mk2, this simply is not looking like a company poised to release a game changing firmware update.

 

[Orvillain]

The idea that Kemper has little room left for improvement is just anti-reality.

 

[LP59]

The idea that Kemper has little room left for improvement is just anti-reality.

By that I meant they have little room available within their architecture to make improvements. There are many things that could be improved in a Kemper. For example, newer, black box, profilers can do things like profile pedals, but that simply cannot be done with Kemper's design.

The problem is they have been so successful that they never had a need to overhaul their architecture to accommodate improvements like that. The irony is they would probably be in a better place today if they had more competition 10 years ago to push them to modernize their design. As the Mk2 shows, that kind of modernization won't happen now.