Kemper Profiler MK 2

[molul]

It’s a preference thing. I know many keyboard players who come from a piano background who will not use anything that isn’t fully weighted hammer action keys.

That's true, but think of the many keyboard and synth players that haven't probably ever bothered with hammered keys

Or think a about electric guitarists that never cared about acoustic ones.

 

[[Nathan]]

I can’t ever recall seeing an ekit at a live gig. Festivals, club shows, house shows, 1000 cap venues, 5000+, stadiums etc. I’m sure it’s happened once or twice without me knowing but for the stuff I listen to in the punk/rock/metal genres it’s not a thing. They’ll use pads and triggers for extra bits and pieces but the core is an acoustic kit.

I love ekits, if I had more room I’d grab one to mess around with. Even at the expensive end they seem to need a bit of dialing in with the hits. I can’t imagine throwing it in a car and transporting them would do it any favours. I can see why just using a half decent acoustic kit just makes sense for gigging (cost and sound wise).

 

[molul]

I can’t ever recall seeing an ekit at a live gig. Festivals, club shows, house shows, 1000 cap venues, 5000+, stadiums etc. I’m sure it’s happened once or twice without me knowing but for the stuff I listen to in the punk/rock/metal genres it’s not a thing. They’ll use pads and triggers for extra bits and pieces but the core is an acoustic kit.

I love ekits, if I had more room I’d grab one to mess around with. Even at the expensive end they seem to need a bit of dialing in with the hits. I can’t imagine throwing it in a car and transporting them would do it any favours. I can see why just using a half decent acoustic kit just makes sense for gigging (cost and sound wise).

I think we're used to think that not having an acoustic drumkit in a gig is kinda "cheap", but I really think it's not, but just a cultural thing. If it sounds good, it's good. We've said it many times about digital amps.

I don't know where you people live, but in Spain it's becoming more and more difficult finding venues to play, and moving to another city and having to carry your full drumkit makes things a bit more difficult (not everyone can afford a van, for instance).

There are few venues with their own drumkit, amps, etc, and they've lately become quite more expensive, so being able to carry a v-drums kit is just so convenient if you play in an indie band which doesn't bring many people to gigs.

I'm a bit bitter, I know, but lately I'm finding rock a lot harder to play live, so I'm just thinking of acceptable solutions out loud. Carrying guitars, bass, keyboards, e-drums, modelers, and maybe a mixer in your car, is easier than what other bands were able to do in the past. You'd only need the venue to have loud speakers. It's a matter of making things a bit easier to keep rock alive for smaller bands, given that audience is smaller and venues are less willing to make room for us.

What I really hope it's that tides change and playing rock live is as feasible as it was in the 90s. But I loose faith everyday. Maybe in 10 years... But AI music is coming (like winter in game of thrones) and I expect things to become worse.

 

[OneEng]

I can find two a weekend, every weekend, lol. The bad sounding and oblivious bands, that is. Even if you want to use a cab, I’d prefer not to leave the mic’ing up to the house guy, lol.

I can find more than two a weekend .

How do you extrapolate any Kemper capture accuracy in the side discussion? Really reaching there

.... From the people who were stating that eDrums don't sound like the real thing .... and that the real thing sounds better even when the samples being used were real .

Still ..... yea, it was quite a reach .

 

[Deadpan]

I can find more than two a weekend .

.... From the people who were stating that eDrums don't sound like the real thing .... and that the real thing sounds better even when the samples being used were real .

Still ..... yea, it was quite a reach .

When one hits an Edrum the stick position is predetermined? Where as an acoustic drum has a variable that potentially isn't acounted for in the sample?

I like E drums but there is a human variable that isn't preset in today's sampling.

Hearing Fear Factory live years ago was jaw dropping but real drums are a different animal.

 

[Orvillain]

When one hits an Edrum the stick position is predetermined? Where as an acoustic drum has a variable that potentially isn't acounted for in the sample?

I like E drums but there is a human variable that isn't preset in today's sampling.

Hearing Fear Factory live years ago was jaw dropping but real drums are a different animal.

You're right about that, but there is more to it as well.

There's a ton of modal interactions that happen when you strike a drum membrane (or cymbal for that matter!) and samples don't capture the physics behind that.

 

[laxu]

I know next to nothing about drums but the discussion is fascinating enough that I would love to see a few pages of posts moved to a separate thread under Digital and modeling.

 

[molul]

I know next to nothing about drums but the discussion is fascinating enough that I would love to see a few pages of posts moved to a separate thread under Digital and modeling.

True that. On it!

EDIT: we can continue here if you want: https://thegearforum.com/threads/e-drums-could-they-be-a-common-thing-for-small-bands-gigs.9298/