Kemper Profiler MK 2

[DLC86]

I don't know why you're putting all your heart and soul into LUFS. LUFS is no more trustworth nor infalliable than any other weighted measurement.

Not doing that at all, I know very well it has its own limits and it's not perfect.

But saying that in two null tests that measure the same LUFS level, one shows a HUGE difference to the ear and the other doesn't... sorry but that's total BS.
As it is total BS saying that you hear a huge difference on the low end but the null test LUFS measurement represents it as minuscule.

That goes way beyond any limitation of the LUFS measurement and weighting, and can be easily proven.
I could believe those statements only if they came from someone with serious hearing loss and who can only hear a narrow band of frequencies.

 

[[Nathan]]

This thread is a goldmine and it’s only because kemper keeps producing the natural resource of gold

I just caught up on 15 pages and the goal post shifting on accuracy and cope on now needing to use rig profiler, 10/10 amazing.

I’d always wondered how they could have retail locations selling 12 year old hardware. And I guess the player pedal with levels was a move to support that, and now this mk2 which is essentially the exact same unit in a shiny new hat is also a way.

I’m keen to hear some proper comparisons when the v2 firmware drops cause I just don’t believe things are going to be remarkably better. I’ll spare that nail in the coffin until we hear it but for now it’s on the shelf waiting.

If you always wanted a kemper but never pulled the trigger I guess now you’ll get a touch more than you did before. But if you owned one in the past and wanted to check out the new thing I doubt you’d bother. And if you’re already using a modeller you like and just thought oh hey what’s Kemper doing over there…. Same same? Cool, pass. Just seems like the attraction to anyone other than existing users is basically 0

It’s all an extremely strange rollout strategy especially in 2025. They could have brought out the exact same mk2 units with a different marketing strategy and it would have been fine, but the delays of firmware and drip feeding of critical information is just bad look on bad look imo

 

[Sascha Franck]

It is excellent. Very good captures. The best captures. Everyone says it. The best.

Nobody knows more about capturing than the Axe FX

 

[paisleywookiee]

You can of course. I have gigged many times with a single channel tube amp. The ToneX lacks the quantity and quality of efx of the Stage, it lacks the number of foot switches and capabilities, it lacks morphing, latency in patch changes, no spill over, etc. The stage is just a better tool for gigging hands down. This is assuming you need a variety of sounds for your gig and need to change within a song of course.

That’s why you build a board around it. Or a preamp like Friedman, Victory, etc.

 

[Funk Soul Brother]

At least not until the firmware shows up and proves to be what they claim, and then some minds may change.

 

[JiveTurkey]

 

[LP59]

I just caught up on 15 pages and the goal post shifting on accuracy and cope on now needing to use rig profiler, 10/10 amazing.

Just to make things even less clear, nowhere on the web page that announces the new profiling do they mention accuracy. They say it is "the most precise", but that leaves a lot of wiggle room for interpretation.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

Repeatable Results, Way Off Everytime!
Get the same bad tone, now at even more gigs.

 

[Mongillo19]

Just to make things even less clear, nowhere on the web page that announces the new profiling do they mention accuracy. They say it is "the most precise", but that leaves a lot of wiggle room for interpretation.

It mentions it on their SW page but yeah not on the home page:

"The Profiler MK 2 series raises the bar on profiling precision, enhancing Kemper’s industry-leading emulation with a smattering of cutting-edge technologies. Profiles now analyze more than 100,000 individual frequency points to deliver the highest level of sonic accuracy possible"

 

[Enchilada Jones]

Hmm? Your post that OneEng quoted and said this in response to:



was:



But OK. Let's just hope the updated Kemper profiling will be a vast improvement!

When I said
“In my mind a lowly mkI Stage is worth every extra dollar they charge above the ToneX price.”
I was going beyond just the hypothetical ‘for others choice’ of Stage mkII vs ToneX for gigging answer.
At that point I was copping to the “good enough” benchmark as my own preference. But I don’t think Paisley Wookie would agree with that “lowly” standard.
It was a snarky way of saying ToneX sucks so bad that ‘I would even take a mkI Stage over it’. Because I actually did do that in fact.

(Sorry for the cockup but there is a reason I am an HVAC/R contractor and not celebrated author or tenured English professor)

 

[Funk Soul Brother]

"The Profiler MK 2 series raises the bar on profiling precision, enhancing Kemper’s industry-leading emulation with a smattering of cutting-edge technologies. Profiles now analyze more than 100,000 individual frequency points to deliver the highest level of sonic accuracy possible"

 

[[Nathan]]

 

[paisleywookiee]

I know you’re playing it for the meme, but I don’t even care to change anyone’s mind. I just don’t get the blind faith either.

 

[LP59]

It mentions it on their SW page but yeah not on the home page:

"The Profiler MK 2 series raises the bar on profiling precision, enhancing Kemper’s industry-leading emulation with a smattering of cutting-edge technologies. Profiles now analyze more than 100,000 individual frequency points to deliver the highest level of sonic accuracy possible"

The highest possible? Wouldn't adding one more frequency point make it higher? Maybe it made sense in the original German.

 

[Mongillo19]

The highest possible? Wouldn't adding one more frequency point make it higher? Maybe it made sense in the original German.

Hey I'm just copy and pasting

 

[BenIfin]

re: a Null Test

Been doing a bit of reading - always a dangerous thing - and came across an interesting comment in a Y/T Comments section - but I don't know if its correct or not (?)

Just using NAM and Tonex as an example against a real amp.

Is the following right ?

Say NAM Null tests to a real Amp at -40 LUFS
Say Tonex Null Tests against the same real Amp at -37 LUFS

Apparently it is not that straight forward ?

For example, Tonex could reproduce the Frequencies below 50hz and above 18khz not as well and that will account for the lower LUFS Score difference.

However, as these frequencies <50hz and above >18khz are basically irrelevant to a guitar signal, there are actually no effective differences between the 2 .... their conclusion being that a Null test may (?) not be the most correct picture for meaningful accuracy comparison.

Any validity or truth or "accuracy" to this ?

 

[Mongillo19]

Any validity or truth or "accuracy" to this ?

Best I can do is "precision"

Jk because I have no idea. Just felt like making a joke I guarantee you someone here knows though

 

[paisleywookiee]

I wonder if Sweetwater will bundle a Mac Mini or Creation Station with a Kemper MkII, so you can actually get the full resolution they’re advertising.

 

[Funk Soul Brother]

The highest possible? Wouldn't adding one more frequency point make it higher? Maybe it made sense in the original German.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

The highest possible? Wouldn't adding one more frequency point make it higher? Maybe it made sense in the original German.