Kemper Profiler MK 2

[Los-D]

Not being an asshole, but don’t care very much about the Kemper. Is there a tl:dr summary on this?

 

[Mongillo19]

Not being an asshole, but don’t care very much about the Kemper. Is there a tl:dr summary on this?

On the fight or the Kemper

Kemper, they are making a Mkii version that adds some fixed blocks to the new units and but also the recently released Kemper Player is considered a Mkii unit.

They are also claiming to add additional speaker sim and an updated profiling algorithm that is claimed to the most precise ever. However, this new profiling won't be available until summer.

The dispute .....

Hard to say

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

Not being an asshole, but don’t care very much about the Kemper. Is there a tl:dr summary on this?

Le Chat has this summary for you:

„The thread on "The Gear Forum" discusses the Kemper Profiler MK 2, with users sharing their thoughts and expectations about this new version of the Kemper Profiler. Here are the key points from the discussion:

1. **Performance Expectations**: Users are hopeful that the MK 2 will meet specific performance benchmarks, such as achieving a -53.3 LUFS null-test mark, which is a measure of audio quality and consistency.

2. **Design Speculation**: There is speculation about the physical design of the MK 2, with mentions of it possibly resembling a "toaster format."

3. **Feature Wishes**: Users express their desires for new features, including more powerful hardware, the ability to run multiple captures simultaneously, a touchscreen interface, and an interface similar to the Neural DSP Quad Cortex (QC).

4. **Skepticism and Humor**: Some users are skeptical about significant changes in capture technology or effects. There is also humorous commentary, such as imagining a detailed and off-topic description of the Kemper 2 alongside unrelated subjects like a jello cake recipe.

5. **Long-Awaited Release**: The anticipation for the Kemper 2 has been long-standing, with users joking about waiting since 2017 for an update.

6. **Source of Information**: The discussion was sparked by a screenshot posted by ToneJunkie on Facebook, although the original source of the screenshot is unclear.

Overall, the thread captures a mix of anticipation, speculation, and humor regarding the features and performance of the Kemper Profiler MK 2.“

 

[2dor]

Restorative circle time

I'd hug that too

 

[paisleywookiee]

You will not be able to stop hearing it for a couple of days. So… probably bad.

Thanks, dick.


I’m just kidding, don’t get offended.

 

[Deadpan]

lol, the things Null Tests are good at are the things that will determine how accurate the signal is being modified. The AI just basically told you a null test can’t account for human perception/manipulation, which is the point.

Simply, null tests are imperfect and useful in a limited sense.

Honestly, I am not sure that it is currently possible to 100% null using a model or AI. Has this been achieved?

I provided the AI response for informational purposes.

If a signal doesn't null it is tough to know what's causing the issue, including those variables you disregard.

 

[ChordInversion]

I love that there's so much pissing on Kemper when the product itself (in terms of the improved profiling) isn't available yet.

The one thing I can say for Kemper is that the toaster is actually a design intended for a tabletop/cabinet top. I remain surprised (though I probably shouldn't) that floor and rack are the only real options most of the time, particularly given the reality that most buyers never gig.

If Line6 would make a new bean with full functionality, I'd probably buy it. I'd love for Fractal to do something like that, too. I know they won't, though. And that's fine.

 

[paisleywookiee]

I love that there's so much pissing on Kemper when the product itself (in terms of the improved profiling) hasn't been available yet.

The one thing I can say for Kemper is that the toaster is actually a design intended for a tabletop. I remain surprised (though I probably shouldn't) that floor and rack are the only real options most of the time, particularly give the reality that most buyers never gig.

If Line6 would make a new bean with full functionality, I'd probably buy it.

I actually think the toaster aesthetic is cool. Looks cool on a 1x12 or 2x12 vert.

 

[2dor]

Simply, null tests are imperfect and useful in a limited sense.

Honestly, I am not sure that it is currently possible to 100% null using a model or AI. Has this been achieved?

I provided the AI response for informational purposes.

If a signal doesn't null it is tough to know what's causing the issue, including those variables you disregard.

You can still make out an average across time so it'll give you an indicator which unit / tech fares better if you're putting them head to head.

There's somewhat of a limit even when you're null testing the real amp against itself just because the nature of the beast. Leo's tested that too with his Soldano and it's -53.3 LUFS.

 

[TheTrueZoltan!]

I actually think the toaster aesthetic is cool. Looks cool on a 1x12 or 2x12 vert.

IMO it‘s probably the most iconic music gear related product design since the Line 6 POD.

 

[Orvillain]

 

[JiveTurkey]

 

[Richard_G]

Le Chat has this summary for you: (...)

Not impressive, to put it mildly.

 

[paisleywookiee]

IMO it‘s probably the most iconic music gear related product design since the Line 6 POD.

I’d love a Bean with HX quality (HX Stomp, basically) and a nice big-ass screen.

 

[Dom Mcsweeney]

 

[ian_dissonance]

Simply, null tests are imperfect and useful in a limited sense.

They are very useful in determining which device has the closest effect on a stable input signal to the original source. It can still sound really good and be fun to play, but should someone claim “it is the most accurate” a null test is probably the most reliable way to find out.

 

[the swede]

Le Chat has this summary for you:

„The thread on "The Gear Forum" discusses the Kemper Profiler MK 2, with users sharing their thoughts and expectations about this new version of the Kemper Profiler. Here are the key points from the discussion:

1. **Performance Expectations**: Users are hopeful that the MK 2 will meet specific performance benchmarks, such as achieving a -53.3 LUFS null-test mark, which is a measure of audio quality and consistency.

2. **Design Speculation**: There is speculation about the physical design of the MK 2, with mentions of it possibly resembling a "toaster format."

3. **Feature Wishes**: Users express their desires for new features, including more powerful hardware, the ability to run multiple captures simultaneously, a touchscreen interface, and an interface similar to the Neural DSP Quad Cortex (QC).

4. **Skepticism and Humor**: Some users are skeptical about significant changes in capture technology or effects. There is also humorous commentary, such as imagining a detailed and off-topic description of the Kemper 2 alongside unrelated subjects like a jello cake recipe.

5. **Long-Awaited Release**: The anticipation for the Kemper 2 has been long-standing, with users joking about waiting since 2017 for an update.

6. **Source of Information**: The discussion was sparked by a screenshot posted by ToneJunkie on Facebook, although the original source of the screenshot is unclear.

Overall, the thread captures a mix of anticipation, speculation, and humor regarding the features and performance of the Kemper Profiler MK 2.“

Well… one thing is very clear. Le Chat misses 99% of the true TGF soul.

 

[SillyOctpuss]

I’ll just let you all continue, and go back to my pondering thinking about changing the knobs on a guitar pedal because I don’t like the color of the knobs… yes… it’s a big problem!

That's important work dude. I've been agonising over changing the knobs on my les paul to gold ones for weeks now

 

[ChordInversion]

I’d love a Bean with HX quality (HX Stomp, basically) and a nice big-ass screen.

I'd want the full horsepower of the Helix, though.

 

[OneEng]

This is a straw man argument.

That argument is not made frequently on this forum.

Both Kemper and other products can sound good with "low" accuracy. Off course! You may love a product or a single profile/capture without it being accurate compared to the source. That's fine. Or actually, that's really cool! Please do enjoy it. But the whole raison d'être of Kemper, Tonex, NAM and other products creating profiles/captures is to make a digital copy/recreation as close to the source as possible. If they are far from achieving that goal, it should be pointed out. That is what is done frequently on this forum.

That being said, I'd love Kemper to deliver on the promise of the new profiling tech to be "the most precise amp recreation ever achieved". Competition is good and it will put increased pressure on IK to improve Tonex (of which I am a user).

I think that Kemper has every right to claim some accolades on being the first device using a profile (capture). It is reasonable to assume that your Tonex would not have ever materialized without Kemper. As for the most precise amp recreation ever achieved .... pretty bold (if a little irrelevant to many of us)

lol, the things Null Tests are good at are the things that will determine how accurate the signal is being modified. The AI just basically told you a null test can’t account for human perception/manipulation, which is the point.

There is more to the signal and feel of an amp than what can be captured in a null test. Anyone that believes differently has simply not done the research. That being said, the null test is quite good and certainly better than a bunch of us sitting around arguing about which one is more accurate!

I think there will be people that are entrenched in the ecosystem, and will play it regardless, even if it’s just incremental gains.

I am certainly one of those. I have had my Kemper since 2013. I have so much time invested in the tones I gig with that it would be a very tall order for me to give up the Kemper and re-do all that work.