Ed DeGenaro
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they do. But they also work in what they call home mode which is connected to your WiFi router.
Kemper Profiler MK 2
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Yeah. I guess a more modern UI would allow to complex routing that, IMO, a 1.5k€ unit MUST have.
I mean, I would probably be perfectly fine with current Kemper routing possibilities... but if I pay 1.5k, hell... I want to have all the possibilities for future peace of mind.
So, yes, Kemper needs a top notch profiling. They maybe are going to have it (still to be seen).
But also allow for complex routings, parallel paths and whatnot... which is almost impossible to achieve with current UI if one wants easy tweakability. This is already a fail derived from keeping previous hardware concept.
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Building a new board with the KPP.
Stereo out to FOH + stereo out to my amps returns, player in the loop of amp, or straight into return running a profile.
Luminite M1 as the brains of switching via midi, relaycontrolling the revivaldrive.
Automatone in front of the rev drive, great on it’s own, but maybe even more valuable in front of the rev running different boost presets.
Stereo out to FOH + stereo out to my amps returns, player in the loop of amp, or straight into return running a profile.
Luminite M1 as the brains of switching via midi, relaycontrolling the revivaldrive.
Automatone in front of the rev drive, great on it’s own, but maybe even more valuable in front of the rev running different boost presets.
Eagle
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It works ok considering the lack of options.
Jarick
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Okay, I stand corrected. That's wild! I'm excited to try profiling my JJ Junior then!
If we're being honest I'd put the Kemper UI ahead of Fractal because it's way more intuitive and there are far fewer nitpicky adjustments to navigate through. The current gen units are really slow and laggy though, so if that gets fixed with Mk2 it's going to be just fine IMO.
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"the most precise amp recreation ever achieved" is an absolute definitive unqualified statement.
As we would say in the olden-days, that's the " $64,000 Question " that C.K has now painted himself into a corner over to answer.
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Yea Kemper Stage or (Head or Rack) compared to any Fractal modeler without an editor. On stage or in rehearsal and you want to create some changes on the fly.
Kemper wins big time.
It is basically a large illuminated signal chain very much like Fractals editor only no computer needed. It is in many ways the equivalent of a ‘touch screen’ a big tactile touch screen. Just touch the shiny light that represents the ‘block’ you want to change and it toggles on or off and by touching it you bring the parameters of that block onto the screen where there are knobs and buttons assigned to those parameters for tweaking.
Kemper wins big time.
It is basically a large illuminated signal chain very much like Fractals editor only no computer needed. It is in many ways the equivalent of a ‘touch screen’ a big tactile touch screen. Just touch the shiny light that represents the ‘block’ you want to change and it toggles on or off and by touching it you bring the parameters of that block onto the screen where there are knobs and buttons assigned to those parameters for tweaking.
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Come on, man. Let me have my fun.
BenIfin
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..... an aside - for me - the absolute best a.i.o form factor and screen I have ever had is the Boss GT1000 .... the screen is so "DOS'y" and basic you can get to and control anything in just seconds without ever cracking the manual ..... however, as far as assigning Midi PC's / CC's, yep, you will need to read the manual a few times
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Come on, man. Let me have my fun.
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Absolutely no way.
Kemper's UI is far less intuitive than the Fractal in so many ways it is actually unreal. Weird names for things, loads of pages with controls spaffed everywhere, nonsensical groupings, loads of things hidden all across the unit that aren't in places you'd intuitively look for. It is an absolute mess.
It just isn't even debateable IMHO. Maybe I've spent too long in Fractal land. But after owning the Kemper 6 times, and owning Fractal products far fewer times, I can whizz around the hardware at this point very intuitively. Whereas the Kemper still confuses the fuck out of me.
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In reply to my accuracy email (not that I expected them to tell me much)
I think I got a standard reply as someone on the Kemper forum posted the same exact thing (down to the misspelling of "sommer"
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I think I got a standard reply as someone on the Kemper forum posted the same exact thing (down to the misspelling of "sommer"
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Funk Soul Brother
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How long till we get the Emission Accomplished banner?Read my lips...100,000 points of light
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I guess I'll be the one swimming upstream and waiting to see what Kemper has up its sleeve for the new profiling before shitting all over it.
You have to remember, back in 2010 Kemper profiling was revolutionary. It was well beyond what others were doing. That tech was competitive for a decade. Other companies caught up and moved past, and now Kemper's making their move. I'm going to wait and see what that's all about.
To me Kemper moves slow but they tend to make strong improvements. New delays, reverbs, modulations, "liquid profiling" (it's really just better EQ presets), computer editor, etc. If they can add a little more fidelity and clean up the lows and mids with the new profiles, that should be great.
There's still something for everyone out there...Fractal has the most fidelity and power, Helix has the most character and integration across devices, Tonex has the most bang for the buck for amp captures, QC has the most advanced interface in a compact package, Kemper is the most plug and play, and Boss is the most...Boss.
Just...for the love of god get rid of the stupid Player tiers.
Fine, you're right. Kemper's UI is the worst.
You have to remember, back in 2010 Kemper profiling was revolutionary. It was well beyond what others were doing. That tech was competitive for a decade. Other companies caught up and moved past, and now Kemper's making their move. I'm going to wait and see what that's all about.
To me Kemper moves slow but they tend to make strong improvements. New delays, reverbs, modulations, "liquid profiling" (it's really just better EQ presets), computer editor, etc. If they can add a little more fidelity and clean up the lows and mids with the new profiles, that should be great.
There's still something for everyone out there...Fractal has the most fidelity and power, Helix has the most character and integration across devices, Tonex has the most bang for the buck for amp captures, QC has the most advanced interface in a compact package, Kemper is the most plug and play, and Boss is the most...Boss.
Just...for the love of god get rid of the stupid Player tiers.
Fine, you're right. Kemper's UI is the worst.
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saarangnarayan
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Weird way to spell "catching up to competition"...
Funk Soul Brother
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MirrorProfiles
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There’s blind faith, and then there’s assuming that Kemper is going to catch up to what modern machine learning is doing. It sounds to me like Kemper is just doubling down on brute forcing with match EQ, and then trying to add in some poweramp/cabinet dynamic interactions algorithmically.
To me it’s just swimming up stream when you need to tinker with so many elements manually (presumably on the Kemper you’ll still likely need to mess with refining/definition/clarity etc).
I just don’t really see how it’s possible for Kemper to catch up, unless they spec totally new HW and focus on capturing with a computer/cloud GPU’s. Let’s face it, most profiling is done in a studio environment where a computer and DAW are in use already. It’s like trying to do your tax return on a microwave when you’re sat next to a laptop.
To me it’s just swimming up stream when you need to tinker with so many elements manually (presumably on the Kemper you’ll still likely need to mess with refining/definition/clarity etc).
I just don’t really see how it’s possible for Kemper to catch up, unless they spec totally new HW and focus on capturing with a computer/cloud GPU’s. Let’s face it, most profiling is done in a studio environment where a computer and DAW are in use already. It’s like trying to do your tax return on a microwave when you’re sat next to a laptop.
