Kemper Profiler MK 2

[JiveTurkey]

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[2dor]

heck...didn't even need to say his name 3 times damn it...

 

[BenIfin]

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Yep. I am :) However I must clearly be losing my obvious sarcasm abilities - I thought the language I used and the "winks" made my point clearly ie: if you're going to worship at the null test alter and live and die based on null tests results, you at least need to try an be consistent across brands ? - failed sarcasm ..... hence therefore why I also wrote Kemper must have done ok to catch up to QC V2 ...... pretty clear and obvious to my mind ... maybe I'll be more obvious and dunk such comments in a barrel of molasses in the future so they stick better :)

Oh ... and B.T.W .... I did also post another absolute ripper - I think (?) over there - along the lines of "Lets Play the guitar digital forums latest new gameshow "Why Null Tests Give Me The Horn" ... along the same clearly [sub-standard] sarcasm lines ..... I was going to link it here, but cant seem to find it

I chucked in a little gem - for those that don't know the comic genius of Derek and Clive [ Peter Cook and Dudley Moore ] "the Horn" was my ode to them ... as a good Englishman, I trust you too worship at the alter of Peter Cook and Dudley Moore / Derek and Clive. Its impossible to overstate how much of a Comic genius Peter Cook was.

Complete bullshit.

In the context of that whole post - I %100 agree - see above. As it is being used by most people now for claiming X is better than Y compared to the real Amp .. it is complete bullshit

Thing is, for me, I didn't know or understand "why" until kind of recently ..... just being honest.

And its this forum that has educated me on this - which I appreciate.

Guess I'll have to sharpen up on the wording-intent of some of my posts

 

[riffy]

MirrorProfiles, I listened on here, this board that is, on my phone and headphones. I can’t really tell a difference in your test files. I listened using my monitors that I mix and record through. I’ve really can’t tell a difference there either. I commented to that effect on your YouTube post also. In case you don’t see that comment, can you tell me what other test might do a better job to show us how good a capture is to it source other than my ears only. Some days I don’t have good hearing days other days I seem to, so I can’t be sure what I’m hearing from day today just to be completely honest.

 

[Allexi]

I love this community for being on business. Science over fiction.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

MirrorProfiles, I listened on here, this board that is, on my phone and headphones. I can’t really tell a difference in your test files. I listened using my monitors that I mix and record through. I’ve really can’t tell a difference there either. I commented to that effect on your YouTube post also. In case you don’t see that comment, can you tell me what other test might do a better job to show us how good a capture is to it source other than my ears only. Some days I don’t have good hearing days other days I seem to, so I can’t be sure what I’m hearing from day today just to be completely honest.

If there was a simple answer for distilling all the multitude of different facets of a guitar tone into a single number ranking, we’d all know about it by now. There isn’t such a thing, you ultimately have to isolate the different variables and test in different ways.

Level matched blind tests are really the ones that matter.

 

[Sascha Franck]

It's still worth noting that the LUFS-I approach, for the most part, correlates to most folks' takes on the perceived accuracy of these profilers.

Pretty much that.
Leo Gibson's "ranking" is quite in line with how people who are not into LUFS tests would rank capturing devices.

Doesn't make a LUFS test any more scientifically valid (because at least in the simplistic way LG does them, it defenitely isn't, for the very reasons described in this thread over and over again), but it might still provide some kinda "ballpark" idea.

And fwiw, apart from the LUFS issue, credit where credit is due: Gibson is one of the very few YTers actually comparing the dynamic properties of captures and the original amp. They could possibly be a bit more elaborated, but it's still something I find to be much more important than the last ounces of accuracy. Tells me much more about what I'm looking for than whatever hammered riffs, which is what most people are using these days. Picking intensity reaction, representation of various pickup switch positions and cleanup when dialing back your guitar volume are much more important to me than yet another full volume bridge pickup chugga chugga thing. Which is also why I really like Paul Hindmarsh's demos for the L6 stuff.

 

[hunter]

Haters gonna hate but I just updated my Mk 1 stage and tried a few Mk 2 rigs. Totally love it. The oomphy low end is gone. The blanket is off. It’s tight, spanky and dynamic.

Not sure if the Mk2 hardware would be any better but at the moment I don’t see a need for it. It‘s like the best aspects of tonex and Kemper sound wise were blended. The openness of Tonex and the comforting feel of the Kemper nicely merged together.

If you got a Mk1 - do the update anyways. (Make a backup to make sure you can go back if you preferred the old Kemper sound)

 

[JiveTurkey]

Watched the latest Tonewars video. Those Kemper effects may be limited but they still sound great.

 

[Deadpan]

Haters gonna hate but I just updated my Mk 1 stage and tried a few Mk 2 rigs. Totally love it. The oomphy low end is gone. The blanket is off. It’s tight, spanky and dynamic.

Not sure if the Mk2 hardware would be any better but at the moment I don’t see a need for it. It‘s like the best aspects of tonex and Kemper sound wise were blended. The openness of Tonex and the comforting feel of the Kemper nicely merged together.

If you got a Mk1 - do the update anyways. (Make a backup to make sure you can go back if you preferred the old Kemper sound)

The MK2 gives you more control of the low-end. It is much faster. Like MORE than twice as fast at booting etc.

I really like the improved profiling also. So easy, no refining and it is quick. It seems to measure in real-time and run additional signals as needed.

 

[DG80]

But you still can’t profile an amp using an impulse response in the unit itself…

 

[NightWalker]

I just updated my Mk 1 stage and tried a few Mk 2 rigs.

Tip for all MK1 users:
Don't update to 14.
Stay with 13.05.
And don't update Rigmanager to 4.
Why?
If you stay, you can use the new feature
Ressonance in the CAB section with
2.0 profiles.
Just load a 2.0 profile to your MK1 device
and connect to the old 3.10 Rigmanager.
In CAB section of Rigmanager, you'll find
the new feature.
You cannot see it in your device.
You can just see and edit it in Rigmanager.
But if you update your device to 14 or
Rigmanager to 4, you will not see the
new featute at all

 

[hunter]

Tip for all MK1 users:
Don't update to 14.
Stay with 13.05.
And don't update Rigmanager to 4.
Why?
If you stay, you can use the new feature
Ressonance in the CAB section with
2.0 profiles.
Just load a 2.0 profile to your MK1 device
and connect to the old 3.10 Rigmanager.
In CAB section of Rigmanager, you'll find
the new feature.
You cannot see it in your device.
You can just see and edit it in Rigmanager.
But if you update your device to 14 or
Rigmanager to 4, you will not see the
new featute at all

Thanks for that info!

Would you say Resonance is worth the hassle of rolling back? I did backup the stage on USB Stick before updating…

Also, do you know if it just can’t be edited or if it isn’t audible at all? I wonder if I am using a purchased 2.0 profile where Resonance is active, if I would hear it or not?

 

[NightWalker]

Thanks for that info!

Would you say Resonance is worth the hassle of rolling back? I did backup the stage on USB Stick before updating…

Also, do you know if it just can’t be edited or if it isn’t audible at all? I wonder if I am using a purchased 2.0 profile where Resonance is active, if I would hear it or not?

yes for the first question,yes you can tweak the Resonance,and no idea to the last question

 

[OneEng]

The MK2 gives you more control of the low-end. It is much faster. Like MORE than twice as fast at booting etc.

I really like the improved profiling also. So easy, no refining and it is quick. It seems to measure in real-time and run additional signals as needed.

I don't think most people are saying that V2 profiling isn't a big step up over V1 profiling or that the new features introduced aren't good.

My problem with all this is that Kemper has clearly manufactured a market for MK2. Clearly, they are covering up features in MK1 that would have worked just fine. They could have simply said that MK1 would get the new features and that new hardware was going to make the UI experience faster on all new MK2 units.

This is the rub. The ONLY people hurt by this marketing ploy is EXISTING KEMPER USERS! They simply want to cash in on EXISTING MK1 owners forcing them to upgrade to get the new features.

I don't think this was a good business move.

There were plenty of people that had doubts when some of us stated that the DSP chip didn't change, therefore MK1 should be able to reproduce anything MK2 did. Most non EE's wouldn't have much to go on in this discussion; however, the "bug" controversy showing the MK2 controls on V2 profiles using MK1 CLEARLY shows to anyone that Kemper is just covering up features in MK1 to force MK1 users to buy MK2.

I'm not sure I wouldn't even agree with Kemper if they simply came clean and STATED this is what they were doing. "Hey, we need the money and can't keep giving MK1 users free updates". I could at least respect THAT.

The BLATENT lies bother me though. The authoritarian Nazi crap going on in the Kemper forums is also pretty damn off-putting.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Thanks for that info!

Would you say Resonance is worth the hassle of rolling back? I did backup the stage on USB Stick before updating…

Also, do you know if it just can’t be edited or if it isn’t audible at all? I wonder if I am using a purchased 2.0 profile where Resonance is active, if I would hear it or not?

I think some guy on the Kemper forum tried and it works, but only in RM not on device.

 

[hunter]

I don't think most people are saying that V2 profiling isn't a big step up over V1 profiling or that the new features introduced aren't good.

My problem with all this is that Kemper has clearly manufactured a market for MK2. Clearly, they are covering up features in MK1 that would have worked just fine. They could have simply said that MK1 would get the new features and that new hardware was going to make the UI experience faster on all new MK2 units.

This is the rub. The ONLY people hurt by this marketing ploy is EXISTING KEMPER USERS! They simply want to cash in on EXISTING MK1 owners forcing them to upgrade to get the new features.

I don't think this was a good business move.

There were plenty of people that had doubts when some of us stated that the DSP chip didn't change, therefore MK1 should be able to reproduce anything MK2 did. Most non EE's wouldn't have much to go on in this discussion; however, the "bug" controversy showing the MK2 controls on V2 profiles using MK1 CLEARLY shows to anyone that Kemper is just covering up features in MK1 to force MK1 users to buy MK2.

I'm not sure I wouldn't even agree with Kemper if they simply came clean and STATED this is what they were doing. "Hey, we need the money and can't keep giving MK1 users free updates". I could at least respect THAT.

The BLATENT lies bother me though. The authoritarian Nazi crap going on in the Kemper forums is also pretty damn off-putting.

yeah I agree it's fucked up. They could have just made it a paid update for MK 1 users.

 

[hunter]

yes for the first question,yes you can tweak the Resonance,and no idea to the last question

Sooo I went and downgraded to the old OS and RigManager. Failures and Fatal Errors and several attempts and resets included lol.

Finally made it and indeed I could edit Resonance and Q, which sounded cool but the settings weren‘t saved when I stored the edited rig. Also I am pretty sure they sounded like old Kemper, other than the Resonance. Not that added dynamic and breath of fresh air like in the latest Beta.

It gave me a 1h ride to get an idea or Resonance and Q, which was cool, but I am back to OS 14. To me sounds way better with Mk 2 profiles.

 

[Ed DeGenaro]

Sooo I went and downgraded to the old OS and RigManager. Failures and Fatal Errors and several attempts and resets included lol.

Finally made it and indeed I could edit Resonance and Q, which sounded cool but the settings weren‘t saved when I stored the edited rig. Also I am pretty sure they sounded like old Kemper, other than the Resonance. Not that added dynamic and breath of fresh air like in the latest Beta.

It gave me a 1h ride to get an idea or Resonance and Q, which was cool, but I am back to OS 14. To me sounds way better with Mk 2 profiles.

The scary part is that profiles I liked sound damn near broken to new ones.
Case in point the Matt Fig Jose. The new one kills. Makes the V1 version sound meh.

And it Mosdef makes those guys right that kept insisting it wasn’t nearly good enough.

Also the new profiling is about my fave.
It took me about 2 minutes each to make awesome sounding liquid profiles of stuff.

 

[hunter]

The scary part is that profiles I liked sound damn near broken to new ones.
Case in point the Matt Fig Jose. The new one kills. Makes the V1 version sound meh.

And it Mosdef makes those guys right that kept insisting it wasn’t nearly good enough.

Also the new profiling is about my fave.
It took me about 2 minutes each to make awesome sounding liquid profiles of stuff.

I do wonder though if old profiles sound the same on OS 14. I had dialed in an AC30 patch for a U2 song in the band before the update and it sounded pretty good. After the update it seemed not that great, also effect levels seemed to have changed. But could also be that I had dialed the sound for so long that my hearing wasn't reliable anymore. Someone with two units and one updated, one not could A/B check.