Kemper Profiler MK 2

[namathan_zirwir]

Just a bit weird, not much info on it, no release date. Basically nothing, besides hearing feedback from a handful of users - saying that it sounds good.

Anyone here get a chance to play it at the Summit?

 

[LP59]

hearing feedback from a handful of users - saying that it sounds good.

Where did you see that?

 

[PorcinePicker]

Where did you see that?

Somebody must have recorded all this.....right?

 

[Dimiguitar]

The new profiling was running in the Guitar Summit booth. Didn’t get a chance to try it myself but everyone I spoke to who did said it sounds fantastic.

I think it would be difficult to judge how good the new profiling is against regular profiling, in the context of the summit though.

 

[Dimiguitar]

I just wish they’d actually communicate with their user base in a way that approaches normality.

It would be better if they did. Will that happen? I would probably be more likely to place a bet that a comet hits the earth tomorrow than Kemper changing their ways. Meaning: I think trying to influence them positively, on that front, is probably a waste of time and energy.

 

[LP59]

It would be better if they did. Will that happen? I would probably be more likely to place a bet that a comet hits the earth tomorrow than Kemper changing their ways. Meaning: I think trying to influence them positively, on that front, is probably a waste of time and energy.

I don't think being quiet before something is ready for release is unusual. The way Line6 is communicating about the Stadium is the unusual case, not the norm. And even then, they kept it secret until it was almost ready for release.

People often mention "The Kemper Way" as if being quiet is unique to them, but I don't think it is. What is the Kemper way IMHO is having disorganized communication. The announcement on the web page earlier this year was a mess and they had to edit it several times. The next thing that comes from Kemper several months later is a vague and sloppy video from Guitar Summit. I'm sorry to say it, but that is the Kemper way.

 

[namathan_zirwir]

Where did you see that?

some comments I saw on Fakebook, I don't trust random comments in any way. I want to see some video and comparisons

 

[LP59]

some comments I saw on Fakebook, I don't trust random comments in any way. I want to see some video and comparisons

I agree, that doesn't seem like reliable evidence that Kemper is demonstrating the new profiling at Guitar Summit. Maybe they are, but if so, they are doing it in the typical inept Kemper way.

 

[Digital Igloo]

You’re probably not their favorite person at the moment…

This was yesterday in our booth, about an hour after Christoph introduced me to his family and an hour before we grabbed a beer in the Kemper booth:

 

[LP59]

Christoph introduced me to his family

Are those the people who told you the new Kemper profiling sounds good?

 

[Chocol8]

This was yesterday in our booth, about an hour after Christoph introduced me to his family and an hour before we grabbed a beer in the Kemper booth:
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That’s not the type of hatred and no limits competition we expect from our vendors. We want to see a bloody UFC style cage match every time you are at the same event, or at least some serious drama.

 

[Frodebro]

You're a legitimate, genuine class act D.I. Not many of you left in the M.I or business in general for that matter these days :)

That's a big reason why a diehard Fractal guy like me is going to be buying a Stadium when they're released. Fender left a bad taste in my mouth the way they handled the teething pains of the TMP, and Neural can suck a room full of donkey dicks (I watched everything unfold at TOP during the QC launch, including longtime members getting banned). They'll never get a penny from me. But Eric and Frank have always been straight shooters with integrity-and enthusiasm for all things digital (even from other manufacturers). I have no problem spending some money to support them. And I'll wind up with an FM9/Stadium super rig that fits in a duffel bag.

 

[Monkey Man]

Hi MM - I remember you from a few years back on the Kemper forum and I hope you’re keeping well :) Although I still have (and like) my Mk1 toaster, you can probably tell from the above that they’ve lost me as an upgrade customer….. I still wish them well and hope they manage to pull something out of the bag. And learn from some of the other companies that communication, done right, is a good thing.

I remember you too of course bro'. Hope you, I, E and A are doing well man. Is "Double You" still goin'?

As for the upgrade thing I'm torn. I have my own "little" private-Hell story but I keep it to myself 'cause it wouldn't be professional to do otherwise. Definitely affected my life adversely and I'm still payin' for it.

Always loved the company's products, hence my waxing lyrical across many forums including of course their own.

 

[Dimiguitar]

The next thing that comes from Kemper several months later is a vague and sloppy video from Guitar Summit. I'm sorry to say it, but that is the Kemper way.

Provided the new profiling was illustrated, you would expect longer videos to come out soon. And people be waiting for the new profiling, which is delayed, but the website still mentions summer as the release date.

 

[Digital Igloo]

I think it would be difficult to judge how good the new profiling is against regular profiling, in the context of the summit though.

Maybe, but still way better than trying to ascertain sound and feel from a… <shudders> YouTube video.

 

[Sedaxel]

I guess We all are a little sharp on delivery times. We all want things to be developed quickly... but, in my experience, developing products is a very difficult task. There are always a lot of factors, issues that not always depend on yourself, many of them are unpredicted, and dev times are usually much longer than expected. No matter what kind of product... unless you are launching something "standard", of course. But We want new things. Better than ever things. Groundbreaking things. And that takes time.

I develop industrial products. My boss always want projects to be finished in 6 months... and the result is always around 18 months when everything goes OK. Usually more. Then, the comercial team starts to sell the product a year before it´s ready to launch.

That´s what is offensive to us. They say MK2 is going to be launched in fall... but most probably it wont. Others make an stupid S.O.O.N. campaign... And others do other things. But it´s not usual to see delivery times to be accurately accomplished.

So I´m OK with long delivery times, and I empathize with companies in that regard. However, I get pissed by unreal launch promises.

 

[Dimiguitar]

And others do other things. But it´s not usual to see delivery times to be accurately accomplished.

Which is part of why they typically don't give out delivery dates. Failing to meet them, which happens so often, creates discontent.

Additionally, Kemper have typically done a thorough job when releasing important software updates. It's not like they've taken time for nothing. They haven't improved (so far) in the areas I most wanted them to, when I used a Kemper a lot, but they've offered real value to people for years.

All that said, I believe they felt the need to hand out some approximate release date for the new profiling during the MKII hardware announcement. It's something more concrete for people to look forward to, all the while the MKII release didn't offer much that's novel, especially for existing MKI users.

 

[Gary_W]

I remember you too of course bro'. Hope you, I, E and A are doing well man. Is "Double You" still goin'?

As for the upgrade thing I'm torn. I have my own "little" private-Hell story but I keep it to myself 'cause it wouldn't be professional to do otherwise. Definitely affected my life adversely and I'm still payin' for it.

Always loved the company's products, hence my waxing lyrical across many forums including of course their own.

Thanks for asking - they’re all good thanks :) I’m a really slow songwriter at the best of times and unfortunately I hit a wall just before covid hit. Lots of other life things too in these last few years…. Consequently, music has taken a back seat and I haven’t actually written / recorded anything in years or played live. Sorry to hear that you’ve been going through it and I hope things are looking up for you and you’re managing to get some music time in.

I’ve been really happy with my toaster and thought it was a sure thing that I’d upgrade with the company once they had something new. I had not actually explored the market since getting the toaster; (a) I’ve been happy with it and (b) music taking a back seat last few years as mentioned above.

It was actually the way they’ve done the launch here that persuaded me to come out from under my rock and see what else was out there. I asked for clarity on the forum I’d been part of forever and got crickets (apart from ‘back on track’ notes from moderators and fanboys calling me out for daring to ask questions).

Living in my bubble, I was finding it difficult to justify the upgrade. Because of how they’ve been here, I looked outside the bubble and have now seen things have changed in the competition landscape over the last 12/13 years. I’ve now got a preorder in for a stadium - it’s the first time in a while I’ve felt genuinely excited about playing. I know that inspiration shouldn’t take a piece of gear but there we are….. I can’t actually play at all right now (broken finger which has a wire holding it together right now) but I’m looking forward to learning a new ecosystem and, hopefully, getting back to writing again.

 

[Dimiguitar]

Someone posting on reddit about their experience with Kemper 2.0 stuff at the summit (or maybe mostly what they were told, I guess).

https://www.reddit.com/r/KemperProfiler/s/ZvgyMZ2fQC

 

[Jarick]

It sounds like the 2.0 profiling should be a solid improvement on some pain points for Kemper. More dynamic, more accurate profiles (not having to mess around with refining), etc. If they can figure out how to make profiles backwards compatible that would be ideal, then people could shoot profiles and it works for both. I wonder if they'll let you stack the captures on your computer and then process offline line Tonex which would be great too.

The cabinet part is really intriguing to me. Christoph seemed to say new profiles were being made without the cab? I'm not sure if that's a requirement or not. But cabs much like IR's in modelers have a massive influence on the overall sound. Being able to adjust the low end resonance would really fix a lot of issues I hear in some profiles, and then you have the definition and treble/presence controls to adjust the high end.

I'll still be in a holding pattern, hanging onto my Kemper to see what happens. End of the day great UI may win out and I may end up with the new Helix but not sure if it's going to be worth $2k to me out of the gate. Still eyeing down used Helix LT/Floor models, if I can snag one at $600 that would be a killer pedalboard replacement and to run with my JJ Junior amp (full size Helix has amp relay switching which my HX Stomp does not).