Kemper Profiler MK 2

[Ed DeGenaro]

Now THAT, I don't believe.

Oh I did many times, even sober at the rare occasion.

 

[Enchilada Jones]

True, but what if you're comparing two profilers and they both sound a little different than the amp, and it's hard to tell with your ears which is closer? That's almost always the case these days. A null test can help measure which one is closer.
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But a null test doesn’t help you forget “ they both sound a little different” so the test is saying ‘the one on the left is closer based on the null’ and your ears are telling you ‘yea, but they both are a little off’. So the test result hasn’t solved any real world problem, it only provided a quantum distinction. A real world problem is when your ears tell you something is not right.

If you get two competing products to be absolutely equal in null tests the consumer immediately moves to the next unchecked box on their list.
And each individual prospective buyer has his list in a different order. Color, weight, cost, etc, etc,
So the brilliant mind creating the ‘best’ code to copy a real amp is champion of the accuracy contest yet they only are providing a fraction of what matters most.
The leader of the team developing the product has to be the champion of deciding what is ‘good enough’ to check the most boxes and know which boxes are near the top of most lists!

That is the magic. Get the consumer to say ‘ Ok, product B has good enough accuracy to look at other boxes on my list…

Accuracy is only paramount until it reaches a level of causing enough listeners to say ‘that’s good enough’ then it is no more important than ‘how much does it weigh’.
Don’t believe me? Go ask Gasp100 or a thousand other discriminating gear flippers!

 

[Orvillain]

But a null test doesn’t help you forget “ they both sound a little different” so the test is saying ‘the one on the left is closer based on the null’ and your ears are telling you ‘yea, but they both are a little off’. So the test result hasn’t solved any real world problem, it only provided a quantum distinction. A real world problem is when your ears tell you something is not right.

If you get two competing products to be absolutely equal in null tests the consumer immediately moves to the next unchecked box on their list.
And each individual prospective buyer has his list in a different order. Color, weight, cost, etc, etc,
So the brilliant mind creating the ‘best’ code to copy a real amp is champion of the accuracy contest yet they only are providing a fraction of what matters most.
The leader of the team developing the product has to be the champion of deciding what is ‘good enough’ to check the most boxes and know which boxes are near the top of most lists!

That is the magic. Get the consumer to say ‘ Ok, product B has good enough accuracy to look at other boxes on my list…

Accuracy is only paramount until it reaches a level of causing enough listeners to say ‘that’s good enough’ then it is no more important than ‘how much does it weigh’.
Don’t believe me? Go ask Gasp100 or a thousand other discriminating gear flippers!

This all needs to be weighted against the fact that our ears and our aural memory are not very trustworthy.

 

[Chocol8]

Yes, nearly all humans with normal vision are highly susceptible to hearing with our eyes and other auditory hallucinations. Our brains are hard wired to supplement what our ears pick up with other data from our other senses, our memories and experiences, and our expectations.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Yes, nearly all humans with normal vision are highly susceptible to hearing with our eyes and other auditory hallucinations. Our brains are hard wired to supplement what our ears pick up with other data from our other senses, our memories and experiences, and our expectations.

So only Matt Murdock would know what digital device really kicks ass.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Technically, that might not be as easy as you seem to think.

I guess it partially depends on the elasticity of said tiny wiener dick, but even then, the likelihood of enjoyment is low.

 

[LP59]

But a null test doesn’t help you forget “ they both sound a little different” so the test is saying ‘the one on the left is closer based on the null’ and your ears are telling you ‘yea, but they both are a little off’. So the test result hasn’t solved any real world problem, it only provided a quantum distinction. A real world problem is when your ears tell you something is not right.

If you get two competing products to be absolutely equal in null tests the consumer immediately moves to the next unchecked box on their list.
And each individual prospective buyer has his list in a different order. Color, weight, cost, etc, etc,
So the brilliant mind creating the ‘best’ code to copy a real amp is champion of the accuracy contest yet they only are providing a fraction of what matters most.
The leader of the team developing the product has to be the champion of deciding what is ‘good enough’ to check the most boxes and know which boxes are near the top of most lists!

That is the magic. Get the consumer to say ‘ Ok, product B has good enough accuracy to look at other boxes on my list…

Accuracy is only paramount until it reaches a level of causing enough listeners to say ‘that’s good enough’ then it is no more important than ‘how much does it weigh’.
Don’t believe me? Go ask Gasp100 or a thousand other discriminating gear flippers!

I'm not taking sides in the debate over whether someone should care about accuracy beyond "good enough". I'm just saying for someone who does care, the null test adds useful information to what they hear.

I will say however, that Kemper built his company on the promise to faithfully mimic tube amps, so I can understand how someone would think it is fair to judge a KPA based on exactly how well it does that job.

 

[Gary_W]

I'm not taking sides in the debate over whether someone should care about accuracy beyond "good enough". I'm just saying for someone who does care, the null test adds useful information to what they hear.

I will say however, that Kemper built his company on the promise to faithfully mimic tube amps, so I can understand how someone would think it is fair to judge a KPA based on exactly how well it does that job.

That’s true - the quest for accuracy has (in my opinion) been good for all digital modellers / capture devices as they sound far better than the old days due companies comparing with (and striving for) ‘the real thing’. Whether they get there fully or not, it’s hard to argue that ‘as close as you can’ isn’t the place to go to?

I think it’s just that everything out there now has come on leaps and bounds in recent years - the early digital units really did sound iffy and you needed some rose tinted glasses to belief that a JCM800 really did sound like that Boss GT3 model!

Kemper hung their hat on ‘it’s a perfect clone’ with mk1 and now ‘it’s an even better clone’ (with mk2) so that is going to bait folks into null testing just to prove them wrong! Mk1 sounded good to my imperfect ears so nulling isn’t something I’m interested in but completely get some folks going there!

 

[DrewJD82]

Really, I just can't wait until they finally release the new profiling. Surely we'll bang out another 200 pages discussing if it's closer to the MK1 Kemper or NAM as far as accuracy goes.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Really, I just can't wait until they finally release the new profiling. Surely we'll bang out another 200 pages discussing if it's closer to the MK1 Kemper or NAM as far as accuracy goes.

I can’t wait until someone gets them running on the old hardware.

 

[DrewJD82]

Perhaps the Axe has gapless preset switching, but I am still hearing complaints about it.

Hahahaha I highly doubt this is true and I know you won't get proof, but whoever would complain about this is a dumbass-



My last Dual Rec didn't even switch channels that fast.

Even better, no one is locked into using specific slots if they want spillover with all that gapless switching.

 

[Orvillain]

Hahahaha I highly doubt this is true and I know you won't get proof, but whoever would complain about this is a dumbass-



My last Dual Rec didn't even switch channels that fast.

Even better, no one is locked into using specific slots if they want spillover with all that gapless switching.

Pretty sure it switches even quicker when you're not using Axe Edit or connected via USB too.

 

[Chocol8]

Pretty sure it switches even quicker when you're not using Axe Edit or connected via USB too.

Yeah, but it switches a lot slower when playing whisper level gigs at SE Michigan golf establishments.



OK, I might have made that up. The last time I lived in Ann Arbor was before Fractal existed, and I never stepped foot on a golf course while I was there. On the other hand, I did get an engineering degree while there which I recently learned makes me better than everyone else who posts on forums.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Yeah, but it switches a lot slower when playing whisper level gigs at SE Michigan golf establishments.



OK, I might have made that up. The last time I lived in Ann Arbor was before Fractal existed, and I never stepped foot on a golf course while I was there. On the other hand, I did get an engineering degree while there which I recently learned makes me better than everyone else who posts on forums.

It does! Shit, we need to make this a badge.

1. EE
2. EE in Michigan
3. EE in Michigan, Plays Gigs at Golf Courses
4. $10K Prom DJ, Bitches

 

[Chocol8]

It does! Shit, we need to make this a badge.

1. EE
2. EE in Michigan
3. EE in Michigan, Plays Gigs at Golf Courses
4. $10K Prom DJ, Bitches

5. A fucking rocket scientist from Michigan to you lowly prom DJ cunts! (I really do have an Aerospace Engineering degree, but I never worked in aerospace and the closest I have been to being in space may or may not have involved controlled substances)

 

[Frodebro]

5. A fucking rocket scientist from Michigan to you lowly prom DJ cunts! (I really do have an Aerospace Engineering degree, but I never worked in aerospace and the closest I have been to being in space may or may not have involved controlled substances)

Just as long as you don’t start calling us all cunts, or tell us to go fuck ourselves with our tiny wiener dicks.

 

[Chocol8]

Just as long as you don’t start calling us all cunts, or tell us to go fuck ourselves with our tiny wiener dicks.

Didn't I already do that? If not it was an oversight on my part!

 

[Frodebro]

Didn't I already do that? If not it was an oversight on my part!

You haven’t in the context of during a full meltdown, so it probably slipped under the radar.

 

[Chocol8]

You haven’t in the context of during a full meltdown, so it probably slipped under the radar.

I will seek to correct that soon.

 

[Frodebro]

I will seek to correct that soon.

Not sure I would recommend such a course of action. Some people are able to survive and go on to lead long, happy lives, but some never make it back and are destined for a miserable existence of paranoia and psychotropic drugs.