Kemper Profiler MK 2

[[Nathan]]

How is Fractal in a different lane than Line 6 or Kemper for that matter?

They have no retail presence and in some parts of the world flat out no distribution.

It’s also kind of the modeller for nerds and enthusiasts. A lot of guitarists find it intimidating compared to everything else. Cliff also does what Cliff wants and doesn’t answer to anyone. Firmwares are massively abundant compared to anyone else ever. All of that makes them pretty unique.

I guess the closest thing to this setup is kemper, but they have retail a presence and you don’t need to be a nerd to sit there and audition a bunch of profiles and move on, it’s a different user mindset.

 

[Sascha Franck]

In 2012, they were in a class all by themselves. Fast forward about 20+ years and they are roughly where they were in the beginning.

As an engineer, your math skills should be at least a tad better.

 

[Orvillain]

RE: the new firmware.

• More than 100,000 individual frequency points meticulously analyzed for the most precise amp recreation ever achieved.

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At least by May 28th, they were referring to it as the most precise amp recreation ever achieved. Not even "the most precise we've ever achieved" but literally taken as read, ever achieved.

Then by July it was changed:

• More than 100,000 individual frequency points meticulously analyzed for the most powerful amp recreation ever achieved.

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The only thing I can take from this is, Kempers engineers and marketing team aren't in sync with one another.

 

[LP59]

RE: the new firmware.

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At least by May 28th, they were referring to it as the most precise amp recreation ever achieved. Not even "the most precise we've ever achieved" but literally taken as read, ever achieved.

Then by July it was changed:

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The only thing I can take from this is, Kempers engineers and marketing team aren't in sync with one another.

I think the consensus from the earlier discussions in this thread about Kemper's editing of the announcement is: neither "precise" nor "powerful" make much sense in this context. "Accurate" would make sense, but they have obviously been careful to avoid that word. Aside from the fact that a computer is involved in the profiling and that it will be available on the Player, the only thing we know about the new profiling is that it is new.

 

[Orvillain]

I think the consensus from the earlier discussions in this thread about Kemper's editing of the announcement is: neither "precise" nor "powerful" make much sense in this context. "Accurate" would make sense, but they have obviously been careful to avoid that word. Aside from the fact that a computer is involved in the profiling and that it will be available on the Player, the only thing we know about the new profiling is that it is new.

I would argue that precise is synonymous with accurate. The way I read the change is, they made a claim about precision (read as accuracy) and we all jumped on it as a "ooooo what if it is really shit hot amazeballs and kills NAM even!?! ZOMG!!!" and Kemper went... woah... we've gotta manage these expectations a bit. Change the wording.

 

[AlbertA]

Accuracy vs precision is taught in high-school science classes no?

In the context of an amp capture and model system:

• Precise but not accurate => You always get the same capture all the time but it's not close to the real amp being captured (not accurate).
• Accurate but not precise => A capture may some times nail the real amp being captured (accurate) but doesn't do it consistently over multiple captures. The process doesn't give you a similar result every time, it's inconsistent.
• Accurate and Precise => Every capture consistently nails the real amp.

 

[LP59]

Accuracy vs precision is taught in high-school science classes no?

In the context of an amp capture and model system:

• Precise but not accurate => You always get the same capture all the time but it's not close to the real amp being captured (not accurate).
• Accurate but not precise => A capture may some times nail the real amp being captured (accurate) but doesn't do it consistently over multiple captures. The process doesn't give you a similar result every time, it's inconsistent.
• Accurate and Precise => Every capture consistently nails the real amp.

There should be some mention of mean values in there, but yes, that's the gist of it. It would make no sense in the context of profiling to brag about precision and not accuracy, so using the word "precise" in the initial announcement must have been an error, and many people pointed that out to Kemper. I would guess that's why they changed it (to "powerful" which is meaningless), or maybe Orvillian is right and they changed it to walk back expectations.

The whole situation is rather vague and murky, especially with the way they made the announcement but never had any follow-up like companies would normally do to build marketing momentum ahead of the release. As somebody mentioned above, interest in the new profiling has waned, so if Kemper had any marketing momentum, it's gone now.