Kemper Profiler MK 2

[Deadpan]

I am curious of the new cab additions to the new profiling.

 

[Deadpan]

Just created this profile. While in profile mode I switch between the real amp and profile.

Can you tell which are the real amp and does the difference matter?

 

[dws2384]

What makes Kemper more "amp-like"?

Nothing. Just something that gets parroted over and over by Kemper fans. Apparently being less accurate to original source AMP than other methods makes it more amp-like?

 

[Mongillo19]

Just created this profile. While in profile mode I switch between the real amp and profile.

Can you tell which are the real amp and does the difference matter?

I think it sounds pretty good!

 

[Eagle]

Nothing. Just something that gets parroted over and over by Kemper fans. Apparently being less accurate to original source AMP than other methods makes it more amp-like?

BS!
Sounds and feels more like an amp.

 

[Chocol8]

BS!
Sounds and feels more like an amp.

Saying it doesn't make it true. I put my Kemper next to a borrowed QC and my then brand new Tonex Pedal and the amps we captured, and everyone in the room was in full agreement that the Kemper was by far the worst and the only one we could ALL easily pick out from the real amps.

 

[Eagle]

Saying it doesn't make it true. I put my Kemper next to a borrowed QC and my then brand new Tonex Pedal and the amps we captured, and everyone in the room was in full agreement that the Kemper was by far the worst and the only one we could ALL easily pick out from the real amps.

What where you amplifying them with?

 

[Eagle]

Put a twin reverb in front of you and any of the digital platforms next to it and it’s night and day .
If you play back recordings through monitors they sound similar but include the playing experience and the Kemper is better. But you need good profiles and play the profile back through the cab you made it with.

 

[Chocol8]

Put a twin reverb in front of you and any of the digital platforms next to it and it’s night and day .
If you play back recordings through monitors they sound similar but include the playing experience and the Kemper is better. But you need good profiles and play the profile back through the cab you made it with.

We profiled/captured the amps through a Suhr RL, and then played all of them back through the same power amp and cabs, so:

Real Amp > Suhr > MosValve 962/McIntosh 2100 > real cab vs
Capture/Profile > MosValve/McIntosh > Same real cab

Real cabs included the built in open back cabs for a couple Fender combos and a couple of closed back 2x12 cabs. The one thing we did not test, was higher gain, where I now understand all captures would have performed less well.

If you keep the guitar volume between 7-10, play clean to crunch, and no palm muting, the Kemper does OK not great, but start to vary the input volume too far or simply throw in palm mutes and you can quickly hear the Kemper fall apart. Its not a golden ears or picky musician thing, I guarantee if you gave me 10 disinterested wives and told them what to listen for, they would all hear it.

 

[Eagle]

You needed to play the real amp straight.

 

[timbuck3]

100 pages. We can officially quit now. Plus Line 6 has Proxy now so...

What is proxy?

 

[Jarick]

Just created this profile. While in profile mode I switch between the real amp and profile.

Can you tell which are the real amp and does the difference matter?

First = amp, second = Kemper?

Super close between them, I just hear a little bit less highs and lows in the second one

 

[Chocol8]

You needed to play the real amp straight.

We did that as well, but moved beyond that for good reasons. playing the amps direct just introduces other variables that are not related to profiling or captures, like the characteristics of the power amp including damping factor, and the impedance response of the load used to do the captures. We wanted to use the same power amps and same impedance curves for capture and playback.

It also wouldn't make a difference because we did that as well. It makes it slightly easier to pick out Tonex from the real amp, but the Kemper would still be a distant dead last. Its not even debatable, if you bother to test it yourself it would be pretty darn obvious.

 

[Eagle]

We did that as well, but moved beyond that for good reasons. playing the amps direct just introduces other variables that are not related to profiling or captures, like the characteristics of the power amp including damping factor, and the impedance response of the load used to do the captures. We wanted to use the same power amps and same impedance curves for capture and playback.

It also wouldn't make a difference because we did that as well. It makes it slightly easier to pick out Tonex from the real amp, but the Kemper would still be a distant dead last. It’s not even debatable, if you bother to test it yourself it would be pretty darn obvious.

I did a similar thing but it was a long time ago. But not against current generation.

 

[eggpl@nt]

What is proxy?

L6 Stadium Profiling / Capturing feature

 

[fiftyshadesofslay]

We did that as well, but moved beyond that for good reasons. playing the amps direct just introduces other variables that are not related to profiling or captures, like the characteristics of the power amp including damping factor, and the impedance response of the load used to do the captures. We wanted to use the same power amps and same impedance curves for capture and playback.

It also wouldn't make a difference because we did that as well. It makes it slightly easier to pick out Tonex from the real amp, but the Kemper would still be a distant dead last. Its not even debatable, if you bother to test it yourself it would be pretty darn obvious.

And the only measure of accuracy that really matters is how it compares through studio monitors or FOH.

If you’re buying a profiling or capture device to mimic an amp in the room through a cab then you’re doing it wrong to start with.

 

[Eagle]

And the only measure of accuracy that really matters is how it compares through studio monitors or FOH.

If you’re buying a profiling or capture device to mimic an amp in the room through a cab then you’re doing it wrong to start with.

It should be able to do that too but none can.

 

[ian_dissonance]

Put a twin reverb in front of you and any of the digital platforms next to it and it’s night and day .
If you play back recordings through monitors they sound similar but include the playing experience and the Kemper is better. But you need good profiles and play the profile back through the cab you made it with.

If you have to have everything but the actual amp head in the room for the “right experience” what’s the point? If I felt like I needed to cart a power amp and 4x12 everywhere for my modeler to sound right I wouldn’t use the modeler.

 

[Chocol8]

And the only measure of accuracy that really matters is how it compares through studio monitors or FOH.

If you’re buying a profiling or capture device to mimic an amp in the room through a cab then you’re doing it wrong to start with.

I am sorry but that is complete bull shit used as an excuse for limitations of cab modeling. We don't all listen to music only through studio monitors or PA systems. Maybe you do, but I don't and not just for my own playing. More than half of the live music I go to see is small venue with simple PA and amps are not mic'ed.

It is irrelevant to the way I often use captures and modeling and irrelevant to the way we tested. Real amp, model, or capture played through a real cab should be able to sound the same. The good ones get extremely close. There is nothing "wrong" with doing it that way.

 

[Eagle]

If you have to have everything but the actual amp head in the room for the “right experience” what’s the point? If I felt like I needed to cart a power amp and 4x12 everywhere for my modeler to sound right I wouldn’t use the modeler.

The point is versatility.