Chocol8
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I think the pirate midi puts it in browse mode and keeps it there. I could be mistaken though. For what I have done with it, it just works.
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I think the pirate midi puts it in browse mode and keeps it there. I could be mistaken though. For what I have done with it, it just works.
MirrorProfiles
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100% this. If anyone is getting meaningful differences between either method, their technique is bad/theyre doing something wrong.
Sascha Franck
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Once controlled via the PM device, the TXO is in single preset /w bypass mode. Not sure whether that answers your question, though.
aflynt
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Ok. That does. Thanks! I was thinking maybe I could get the PM Polar Plus with the two switches and use those to increment / decrement presets while in browse presets mode having the TXO switch going between slots. Doesn't sound like that's possible though.
I'm putting together a backup board with the TXO and looking for the simplest / smallest possible switching arrangement that would get me through a show. I figured that in 3 preset mode I could at least use the micro knobs to set the 3 slots up between songs to have all the sounds I'd need for a given song. Having the functionality of the micro knobs on a footswtich would speed things up a lot.
-Aaron
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Sascha Franck
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Hm, even if that worked, I could see this to be confusing. I mean, let's assume you have one "dual patch" and it'd switch between clean and dirt. What would happen when you press preset up? Would one of those patches still be loaded and just populate the opposite switch position?
I'd rather get a PM Pico and a small MIDI controller then. I'm using a Hotone Control (along with a GT-1000 Core in addition), but in case your feet are sufficiently small, an M-VAVE Chocolate might do. Defenitely a much more powerful setup than anything involving up/down switching and possibly not even more expensive.
aflynt
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I figured that in 3 preset mode I could at least use the micro knobs to set the 3 slots up between songs to have all the sounds I'd need for a given song. Having the functionality of the micro knobs on a footswtich would speed things up a lot.
Yeah. That's my other thought. I have a Chocolate. I could probably just have one button toggle between clean / od / fuzz and have the other 3 toggle effects or something.
-Aaron
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There's no measurement data that suggests this.
An IR isn't a curve in the colloquial sense of the term. It's a discrete-time signal, a sequence of amplitude samples at a fixed sample rate, typically stored in the same format as any audio waveform (typically a .wav file a few hundred milliseconds long at 44.1/48/96 kHz). It's the time-domain representation of the system's linear behavior, encoding every resonance, reflection, and decay with full phase information.
The IR, h(t), and the frequency response, H(f), are a Fourier transform pair. H(f) is complex-valued, containing both magnitude and phase at every frequency. Taking the inverse Fourier transform of H(f) gives you h(t); taking the forward transform of h(t) gives you H(f). They're two representations of the same information — one in the time domain, one in the frequency domain; neither is a static curve in the sense of a simplified magnitude plot.
That would require the speaker to be a system with memory or internal state that persists between notes. There's no measurement data supporting that. A guitar speaker is a transducer that responds to its current input voltage according to a fixed transfer function, it doesn't carry state forward from one note to the next.
The only mechanism that genuinely introduces time-variance is voice coil heating, and that operates on timescales orders of magnitude longer than 20 ms. There's no thermal effect in a speaker that acts on a millisecond scale.
The two scenarios aren't actually the same input situation. In one, the speaker is being driven by "80 Hz starting from silence." In the other, it's being driven by "90 Hz followed by 80 Hz," and the 90 Hz note's resonant tail may still be decaying when the 80 Hz note starts, summing with it at the microphone. That's not the speaker reacting differently — it's just two different inputs producing two different outputs. The speaker's response to the 80 Hz portion is identical in both cases. The IR describes that behavior exactly, which is why it reproduces both scenarios accurately.
The drivers themselves don't generate overtones in any meaningful sense at any normal playing level. A well-built cab shouldn't be adding harmonic content beyond what's already in the signal. If the cabinet is poorly made you might get buzzes, rattles, or panel resonances producing audible artifacts, but those are defects, not features of how a cab is supposed to work.
Resonances are a different matter; cone, cabinet resonances are linear phenomena; an impulse response captures them. An impulse response describes the cab's fingerprint including resonances, diffraction effects, etc as seen by the microphone at that position.
Not sure what you mean by "interaction" here. If you mean the microphone's frequency response, its proximity effect, the comb filtering from the gap between the mic and the cone, and any reflections between the mic and the cab — all of that is part of what the IR captures. The IR is a measurement of exactly that chain: cab + mic + position + geometry, all baked into a single response. Whatever the mic "interacts" with during capture is already in the impulse response.
A guitar speaker cabinet behaves as a linear time-invariant system under any normal playing condition. This is measurable; you can verify it yourself.
Capture an impulse response using an exponential sine sweep (Farina method) with a clean driving chain with an amp and interface with minimal distortion of their own. After deconvolution, the harmonic distortion products separate out into their own discrete impulse responses in the pre-impulse region, cleanly isolated from the linear IR. You can window each harmonic order individually and measure exactly how much nonlinear contribution the cab is producing. In practice, for a guitar speaker driven at realistic levels, those harmonic IRs sit well below the linear IR in amplitude; the speaker is a linear device at the levels it actually operates at.
A guitar cabinet at realistic stage volume is being fed a small fraction of the amp wattage on average, nowhere near the thermal or excursion limits where nonlinear behavior becomes significant and awful sounding.
A common misattribution is treating the cab as the source of the nonlinear character in a cranked guitar rig. It isn't. The overwhelming majority of that nonlinearity comes from the amp. The preamp clipping, power tube saturation, output transformer nonlinearity, power supply sag. The cab is a mostly linear transducer reproducing whatever the amp sent it. An impulse response captures its contribution accurately.
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Sascha Franck
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You, or anyone for that matter, has actually compared full rig capture vs DI+IR of that same rig?
Does anyone know if there's anything like this available on tonenet or even for purchase?
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The One appears to have gotten an upgrade, from TOP
Built on the same TONEX technology that redefined tone capture and modeling, TONEX ONE + delivers professional-grade guitar and bass tones in a micro stompbox, now enhanced with Bluetooth connectivity for mobile control and external MIDI integration.
TONEX ONE + is designed for players who want maximum tonal flexibility, fast setup, and seamless control-on stage, in the studio, or on the go.
- Suitable for both guitar and bass.
- Bluetooth connectivity for wireless control via mobile devices
- MIDI input and output implementation to access all 20 presets via MIDI signals
- Full integration with TONEX Control mobile app
- Wireless preset editing, preset management and organization, and access to ToneNET directly from smartphone or tablet.
- Compatible with TONEX Editor (Mac/PC) for library management and backup
- Access to 60,000+ Tone Models on ToneNET
- 20 presets stored onboard, assignable to 3 playable slots
- Two operating modes: Dual Mode, where the footswitch toggles between two presets (A/B) and stomp Mode, where the footswitch enables or bypasses a single preset
- Preset and Tone Model transfer between device, computer, and mobile library
- 123 dB dynamic range for exceptional sound quality.
- Built-in tuner with selectable mute or thru behavior
- "Always Saved" behavior: all edits are stored automatically
- Safe Mode to prevent accidental parameter changes during performance
- Cabinet bypass option for use with real guitar cabinets and power amps
- USB audio interface functionality (2-in/2-out) for recording and playback
IK Multimedia ToneX One+ Modelling / Simulation Effects Pedal with Wireless Control & MIDI
TONEX ONE + expands the power and portability of TONEX ONE by adding modern wireless connectivity and MIDI control, while preserving the same outstanding sound quality and ultra-compact format.Built on the same TONEX technology that redefined tone capture and modeling, TONEX ONE + delivers professional-grade guitar and bass tones in a micro stompbox, now enhanced with Bluetooth connectivity for mobile control and external MIDI integration.
TONEX ONE + is designed for players who want maximum tonal flexibility, fast setup, and seamless control-on stage, in the studio, or on the go.
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Yes, I have. I slightly prefer full captures. Although DI plus cabinet is very good also. And amalgam audio sells both. But you have to go to their website to buy them other than the IK multimedia site.
aflynt
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I believe that gives them quite a bit more incentive to kill the OS Tonex controllers... Like the one I just ordered yesterday...
-Aaron
Richard_G
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Cool!
Official MIDI support is a great addition, making it easier to use this in a lot of applications (without the workarounds required with the standard Tonex One).
I’d like to know whether there are any other improvements besides Bluetooth connectivity for mobile control and external MIDI integration.
Have they done anything, for example, to improve the relatively low maximum dBu input level? Is the input trim still after the ADC?
Sascha Franck
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That could in fact become a thing. But then, if they did that, I'd rather freeze one of my TXOs and possibly ignore IK from then on.
dbagchee
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That photo looks AI generated - “belay” is misspelled on the main screen and the alignment of the text on the scribble strips is off.
