IK Multimedia TONEX

Shask said:
That is one thing I didn't like about the M-Vave Chocolate Plus. You had to download the apk, and then load it from 'non official sources' or whatever it is called. Once you do get it working there is lots of typos, misspellings, etc...
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Yeah, have seen that already. "Fortunately", while I was obviously considering a Chocolate Plus for a while, I won't get one due to the lack of an analog MIDI out. As said, I do have a CME Widi Jack already, but for any "important" live rig, I don't want to deal with BT but rather go for wired MIDI.

The more I think about it, I do in fact consider grabbing a 2nd hand GT-1000 Core. The clear benefits being:
- I do by now know how to deal with things. As much as Boss' editing sucks, I know my ways around already.
- Super low latency.
- Instant switching.
- Global blocks.
- Incredibly flexible switching (the "CurNum" option is really kickass in case you only have a small amount of switches).

Given that this is just a small setup that will see limited and/or kinda "dedicated" use, I wouldn't even need any additional MIDI controllers, so it'd basically be a feature reduced version of my big setup with zero additional programming layers.
 
Sascha Franck said:
For this to happen I would basically need two things:

- A MIDI controller doing what I mentioned above. The only proper method to switch things on the TXO is via PCs and the only proper way for me to work with the Stomp in such a setup would be via CCs (I'm not going to sacrifice the amazing patch switching speed by the slow Stomp, so that would stay on one preset all the time).

- A MIDI controlled loop switcher. That's actually the tough part because all I've found so far is both overkill and expensive. I'd really only need 2-3 loops. Could go for a MIDI amp switching box and add, say, a dual loop thing controlled by analog switching inputs (there's kinda easy DIY kits around), but that would add too many layers that I wouldn't want to deal with. In case anyone knows of small MIDI controlled loop switchers, I'm all ears.
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Didn't read all posts, but in the field of small and capable MIDI controllers and MIDI loop switchers , the Disaster Area Designs product rule, IMO.

Especially the gen4 products.
 
Sascha Franck said:
In addition, I just read that commands apparently are triggered on switch release. No idea how anyone would come up with things that stupid (the XSonic Airstep does it the same - possibly the same Chinese garbage under the hood), but all of this is really putting me off already.
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It's quite common for it to work like that if the controller supports hold, double press etc. See e.g Morningstar's Action List. You can see that on their controllers if you use the Long Press action, then the press should be done via the Release action instead.

This is because otherwise how can you detect that the user is holding the switch, if Press triggers the moment the switch contacts touch?

But the problem on the Hotone seems to be that it will use that behavior always rather than only when hold is in use. That's just lazy, and not having an up to date Android app is too.

XSonic Airstep from what I remember used the Morningstar way, but I don't recommend it either because it had major issues connecting to my Android phone, yet the iPhone or iPad on the same network had no issues.

Another major problem with the Airstep was that it relied on syncing the app - and thus pedal data - to your iCloud account. So if you wanted to configure the pedal via Android, it would not read the current configuration from the pedal, and required you to start over. This was so stupid.

The "super compact + 4 buttons" format of the Hotone, M-Vave etc is great but it's a shame they don't seem like reliably long term products.
 
laxu said:
But the problem on the Hotone seems to be that it will use that behavior always rather than only when hold is in use.
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Exactly. And with the Airstep it seems to be like that, too (as in you can't even switch the hold-functionality off).

laxu said:
The "super compact + 4 buttons" format of the Hotone, M-Vave etc is great but it's a shame they don't seem like reliably long term products.
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Absolutely. It really sucks as if something like that would come in very handy for me right now. And I really don't need any more elaborated options for the setup I have in mind. Just 4 switches allowing me to send a PC and a CC (or maybe 2 CCs) while pressing them, done.

Sedaxel said:
Hey, it has an analog MIDI out. It´s the 1/4" port, which can be configured to work as MIDI or expression pedal.
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Oh, that's cool! Too bad you can't connect an EXP pedal anymore then. This was something I had in mind for a slightly more advanced setup.
Main board in my case would be Stomp and Tonex, expanded by either just a MIDI controller or a MIDI controller plus EXP pedal.

Anyhow, right now I'm seriously considering a GT-1000 Core. Would solve all issues at once. Fortunately I've got no pressure to decide, so I'll finish my main setup first.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Oh, that's cool! Too bad you can't connect an EXP pedal anymore then. This was something I had in mind for a slightly more advanced setup.
Main board in my case would be Stomp and Tonex, expanded by either just a MIDI controller or a MIDI controller plus EXP pedal.
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Agree. That´s a big limitation. Sooner or later, you need both features together.
 
@IK Multimedia

IK really should do something about how Tonex handles download states.

It's stupid that it blocks the entire UI from functioning if you try to download an audio demo or a tone model and the connection is slow. If you were e.g playing a clip from the bottom menu, you can't even turn it off.

Speaking of which...the Tonex downloads are annoyingly slow, and I'm on a freakin' 1 gigabit connection over here.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Yeah, have seen that already. "Fortunately", while I was obviously considering a Chocolate Plus for a while, I won't get one due to the lack of an analog MIDI out. As said, I do have a CME Widi Jack already, but for any "important" live rig, I don't want to deal with BT but rather go for wired MIDI.

The more I think about it, I do in fact consider grabbing a 2nd hand GT-1000 Core. The clear benefits being:
- I do by now know how to deal with things. As much as Boss' editing sucks, I know my ways around already.
- Super low latency.
- Instant switching.
- Global blocks.
- Incredibly flexible switching (the "CurNum" option is really kickass in case you only have a small amount of switches).

Given that this is just a small setup that will see limited and/or kinda "dedicated" use, I wouldn't even need any additional MIDI controllers, so it'd basically be a feature reduced version of my big setup with zero additional programming layers.
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You can use the 1/8" out for MIDI. That is how I use it.

You can theorically connect a USB to MIDI DIN cable also to the USB jack.
 
Shask said:
I have read it works, but never tried it myself. That is one upgrade of the Chocolate Plus over the Chocolate.

You would need a cable like this:

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Cheers, very interesting.

So, while you're here, can you tell me whether the Chocolate Plus can send different messages on different channels per preset?
I would need it to send a PC on one channel and maybe 1-2 CC values on another channel.
 
Grrr, I've just slapped the Chocolate Plus into Pedal Playground. Those switches are *damn* close to each other. Very likely too close for me.
 
Chocol8 said:
I read those responses but I am pretty sure Peter isn't a software engineer and he may not know what is and is not really possible with a software update. I can't imagine there would be that much heavy lifting if it can take non-midi command as well as it does.
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I've been here 16 years, playing guitar for over 40 years (so my interest in our guitar products is, was, has been, and always will be very deep), have a direct line with our engineers, and I don't just make things up.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Cheers, very interesting.

So, while you're here, can you tell me whether the Chocolate Plus can send different messages on different channels per preset?
I would need it to send a PC on one channel and maybe 1-2 CC values on another channel.
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I have never actually tried it, but I played with the software for a minute, and it looks like it? In the Advanced Custom Mode you can type in what each button will do. In this example I assigned Channels 1, 2, and 4 to PC 1, 3, and CC 4 -3 You can see in the box at the bottom.

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Shask said:
I have never actually tried it, but I played with the software for a minute, and it looks like it? In the Advanced Custom Mode you can type in what each button will do. In this example I assigned Channels 1, 2, and 4 to PC 1, 3, and CC 4 -3 You can see in the box at the bottom.
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Thank you, cheers!

I do however think it's not for me due to the size. The spacing between the switches on, say, the Stomp or GT-1000 seems to be the smallest I can properly deal with on stage. Which is quite a pity as the Chocolate actually seems perfect for what I could use right now.
 
I’m still contemplating buying and building a Tonex One MIDI controller solution. Right now leaning towards getting the small board without screen to do a cheap and small version. Then I can see if my BT midi controller is compatible as well. I think the minimal footprint suits me best right now also as I’m trying to cram everything onto my small XPND-1 pedalboard and I don’t see how I’ll make room for a screen on it. I’d rather make room for footswitches.

I don’t like not having a case for the board though, so would need to 3D print one or create some other makeshift solution. I’ll probably power it by just stripping an old USB cable and soldering onto the board.

I’ve also been thinking of getting a USB-C to DC adapter to power the HX Stomp. With that I may be able to get power to both Stomp and Tonex One from the same wall plug, or even by a beefier powerbank.
 
Calling the capturing experts:
Does anyone know whether it's possible to change just the output level of a capture after the fact? I made a test capture myself, turned out to be quite decent but the output level is very low, so I need to pull up the amp volume pretty much all the way, would prefer not having to do so.
Shouldn't this be pretty trivial as no tone shaping parameters are affected?
 
Another question for the capturing experts:

1. Can the ToneX Pedal be used as the audio interface with ToneX Capture when capturing?

I just got a pre-owned one from GC and of course, wasn't released from registration by original owner, didn't include the wall wart, and no instructions. I looked on IK's website and could not find a way to access the user manuals for products you don't own. Unless I'm looking in the wrong place, that seems par for the course for IK's process, but pretty damn stupid IMO.

2. Would someone that has the PDF of the user guide be willing to email me a copy? - If so, send a PM and I will send you my email address.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Two TXO patches switched via Stomp. This is every bit as instant and gapless as it gets.



Eff me, now I need another Pico (or similar) as fast as possible.
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Dude, I am following this thread closely! Thanks for sharing all of your efforts.

So you have the HX Stomp already but are considering switching to the GT core?
 
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