Chocol8
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I think the third party tools are translating midi messages to whatever protocol IK uses with their editor over USB.
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I think the third party tools are translating midi messages to whatever protocol IK uses with their editor over USB.
Shask
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You can select all 20 presets.
What it does is move it to the stomp slot when you select it. It runs it on stomp/off mode, and then always moves the preset to the stomp slot that you select.
Sascha Franck
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You can access all 20 slots and switching is just as fast as in A/B mode. Really excellent.
With the web app you can even re-order the captures in their slots, so if you want to exchange an amp on slot #5 (called up via PC #5) for a gig or so without re-programming your MIDI controller, that's kinda easily possible. Which is absolutely up my alley as I usually allow myself to use 1-2 sounds in a "playground" fashion, regardless of the gig - and I'm sure it'll be cool being able to just play another amp here and there, with anything else staying just as it was before.
According to @IK Multimedia there's no suitable hardware to supply the computing power that is needed for the MIDI translation inside the unit - and I have no reason not to believe that. I mean, it's a very small unit and there's gotta be reasons why it's so affordable, too.
Anyhow, so far I'm absolutely amazed about the way this setup turns out to be. If this is doing well on the next gigs, I may even think about getting rid of most dirt pedals on the live board and tighten up things yet some more.
Also, when you think about just the core stuff, this will make up for an amazingly affordable and incredibly great sounding setup. A used GT-1000 is around €700, a new TXO is around €160, the Pico between €60-100 (depending on where you are), add a suitable PSU for 50 bucks and then perhaps whatever board (could pretty well work with just a bag or light case if you mount TXO, Pico and PSU on a very small board).
That's around €1k and gets you some of the best amp sounds around (if you're fine with captures) and Boss level FX. Sure, some of them are kinda dumbed down, but let's face it, Boss knows FX pretty well - and in case you don't need any nifty stuff, they will suit every situation.
Add to this trail spillover and global blocks.
laxu
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Source?
MIDI is a very simple protocol and pretty bottom tier controllers are enough to receive and process MIDI messages. It's not like they have to implement e.g MIDI clock support or full in/out communication. PC and CC message input support would go a long way.
Alternatively, publish the specs for the USB communication so 3rd party tools can be created without reverse engineering, or provide an API. You could probably slap together the cheapest and smallest Arduino UNO to handle the conversion.
Chocol8
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Gapless switching is something I would expect from the loaded presets on a modern device, but for something the size and price of the One to be able to load other presets to the slot without gaps is pretty impressive to me! That’s great that it is working that well!
Sascha Franck
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@IK Multimedia said so right here on this forum.
That's indeed something they could do. But this is in fact what is covered by the Builty project.
IK themselves possibly don't want to cannibalize the sales of the big unit.
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Just that no device can really do it unless you sacrifice some functionality.
Progressive_disclosure
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Dude, these are great! Finally got around to trying them. I’ve never really bonded with the recto sound. When dialing in for example the HX model it’s just been farty and fizzy and boosting didn’t really do it for me.View attachment 53450
Alrighty, I've been dipping my toes back into capturing some of my amps and humbly submit a small batch for my friends here. For those with hardware, these are setup to translate accurately to the Tonex harware with trim at 0.
- 1998 revision G Dual Rectifier
- fresh caps
- fresh JJ EL34s
- Solid State Rectification
- Bold switch
- Tung-Sol in V1
- a whole lot of attitude.
If you like Rectos, you will probably enjoy some of these. If you are Recto-curious, start with the crunch patches, plug in single coils and roll your guitar volume down a touch, there are nice shades of gain and compression in there.
Details:
I captured the amp through a Suhr RL direct via a Presonus Quantum 2626. I won't make any grand statements about quality, this was the result of a test working out levels and seeing how the various channels and modes responded to my reamping chain. I like some of these better than others, but I think it captures a decent summary of the amp.
Hope you all enjoy!
Clean:
Vintage lighter crunch:
Vintage Crunch:
Vintage High Gain:
Modern cloned to vintage:
Modern Crunch
Modern High Gain:
With these I just lost more than an hour mostly playing! Perfect amount of captures as well so it’s not too much to sift through.
I feel like I finally understand tje recto sound better after messing around with your captures. Highly recommend others to check them out.
Loaded them all onto my TO for now and will mess around a bit more and try to find my faves. Thanks a lot for sharing!
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Link to the project: https://github.com/Builty/TonexOneController
So the Pirate MIDI products are basically a prebuilt version of that.
I haven't been following this topic that much since I didn't use any Tonex products, and since it's a very long thread I've probably missed a lot of this stuff.
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So pumped they are working for you and some of the other folks here. I have evangelized the non-boosted, EL-34 loaded 2-ch Recto vibe for years. I was honestly just excited to share some of the ways I use that amp, make my case a bit.
The orange vintage caps in particular I think show a side of that amp that gets glossed over because there’s so much attention on the red/modern boosted heavy tones. The Recto Vintage Orange channel is a ROCK machine. The EL34s help too by shaving off some of the lows/highs and pushing more midrange.
No promises but the Mark III Simul Class head is sitting in the music room and might get a similar treatment this weekend. Very excited to hear what V2 caps can pull off here, as my prior attempts to capture this amp have ended in disappointment.
Progressive_disclosure
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Getting MIDI to work sounds pretty nifty. I have a BOSS FS-WL-1 lying around that has MIDI Bluetooth. Does anyone know the cost for a small controller and enclosure?
I also "found" the mode now where you can change the A/B/C presets on Tonex One. I thought you could stay in that mode and then you can actually toggle between all three via the footswitch. Would probably be too unreliable for use outside of bedroom playing though.
I also "found" the mode now where you can change the A/B/C presets on Tonex One. I thought you could stay in that mode and then you can actually toggle between all three via the footswitch. Would probably be too unreliable for use outside of bedroom playing though.
Chocol8
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The ABC mode has been known, but the issue is the order is always A then B then C. What the pirate solution is doing is giving you the ability to call up any of 20 presets on command, and the speed of the switching seems really good. That's a big jump in functionality on its own, but you also get control over the built in effects if you use them and other parameters like Sascha showed, adjusting the gain at the end with a slider on a touch screen. That's pretty darn cool for the price of entry.
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I’ve been staying in this mode for the most part with a clean, rhythm, lead capture to cycle through. Seems like it would be fine for live use - though having to keep track of how many clicks to get to the sound you want would be annoying.
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Chocol8
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I read those responses but I am pretty sure Peter isn't a software engineer and he may not know what is and is not really possible with a software update. I can't imagine there would be that much heavy lifting if it can take non-midi command as well as it does.
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Yeah, in general MIDI is cheap and trivial to add to basically anything like this, but it's possible there are timing issues etc that they don't feel like working out considering its place in their lineup.
Sascha Franck
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Sure. But not only are they absolutely open about it, they're even giving a fixed amount of money from every sale to the dude running the project.
Of course, when you're ordering from outside Australia, things are too expensive in comparison to other devices doing similar things, but as long as noone else is coming up with anything like that, well, you either gotta go DIY or buy from them.
Fwiw, I could easily think of several improved versions. One thing that crossed my mind when I was thinking about my proposed "Dual Tonex" was a device similar to the PM stuff controlling two Tonex pedals simultaneously, offering MIDI control for both and possibly an onboard A/B loop switcher - maybe even with an option to run both loops parallely or serially as well. That'd allow for some kickass options.
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Btw, just returned from todays gig and couldn't help it but used a Marshall JCM 800 capture as my main riff sound and was also switching between that and a pedal platform patch I was mainly using with the Friedman BE-OD for such things. I have already been very happy with the latter, using a clean Marshall capture, the Friedman actually sounded better through it than ever before - but compared to the JCM, well, there was a clear winner - so clear even the bandmates noticed (and they usually don't comment much, they always seem to be kinda happy with whatever I'm coming up with). Nice punch at very modest levels, incredibly controllable by volume pot and pickup switching, great lead tone when boosted as well.
This seems to quite easily become the best setup I ever used live. Including rather elaborated real amp things. And it's not even exactly a honeymoon thing, as the board base (GT-1000 as a brain with different smaller modelers in its loops doing the amp stuff) hasn't changed in quite some time already, so I have a pretty educated idea of whether and how much the TXO and some curated captures are in fact improving things. And they are doing just that, a lot even.
What really sucks is that there seems to be *no* way to make a single GT-1000 control switch alternate between two PC messages within a single patch. You can actually easily send a PC using a control switch, but there's no going back from there.
Switching between clean and dirt "channels" within a single patch has been a pretty integral part of this setup ever since I slapped it together, really wouldn't like to lose that option (especially as there's very practical use cases, such as leaving, say, a modulation effect on for the clean channel, so switching between that modulated clean and a riff sound is a one step affair whereas the modulation would get lost when switching patches). So that might be the end of my idea to run dirt pedals and the TXO in two serial loops, because I may have to keep either the Amp Academy or the second TXO in the second loop for clean amp duties.
Grrrr....
Anyhow, I possibly can't adequately express just how happy I am with this setup. Yes, there's the HX Stadium around the corner, which I could really well do with because of the ideal form factor. But others than that, I can't see why I wouldn't just keep using this current setup. Really, it's absolutely incredible, especially as it checks so many usability boxes that no other setup I could think of would (unless it'd be way larger and way more expensive).
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Fwiw, while this is working pretty nicely, I would only ever use this for soundchecks but never for finetuning during the gig (which I sometimes need to do, especially on subbing jobs). But I already thought about some nifty ideas how I could do all required finetunings via just the GT-1000 (I'll elaborate once I checked things).
There's also a pretty irritating thing going on when adjusting things through the web app, namely the sliders only sending their values when you take your finger off. That's very awkward. I will sign up at Github tomorrow and post a few feature requests anyway, this will be of pretty high priority. Don't get me wrong, it's not rendering the thing useless, but if if was acting as these things usually act, it'd be *way* better.
I'd also prefer a real dedicated app connecting via BT, so I could use the WIFI to connect to IEM consoles. If that was possible, I'd instantly buy a used phone (maybe a Samsung Note, as it's coming in a size between phone and tablet) and keep it in my floorboard's case all the time.
Anyhow, this is still working really well as is.
Sascha Franck
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I don't understand your question. I mean, you have the Boss already (which, btw, might be something I could consider as well, for another smaller setup), so what controller are you looking for?
