IK Multimedia TONEX

Chocol8 said:
Theoretically MIDI over USB is just software so it COULD do it
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Well, I actually believe @IK Multimedia when he says there's no MIDI in the box per se. It's why the Builty project exists. There's some translation needed.
Now, whether that could as well be done on the unit might be another question, but perhaps it simply takes another small processor to handle the translation duties.
 
Sascha Franck said:
Well, I actually believe @IK Multimedia when he says there's no MIDI in the box per se. It's why the Builty project exists. There's some translation needed.
Now, whether that could as well be done on the unit might be another question, but perhaps it simply takes another small processor to handle the translation duties.
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Okay, so what if they add auto save to the big Tonex… so then you hook a MIDI foot controller to the Tonex, and then the big Tonex sends MIDI thru to the Polar, and the Polar then transmits messages to the Tonex One, and at only 5x the floor space and 6x the cost—never mind haha
 
Ok, I thought I could go all crazy and had a look whether it'd be sorta realistic to add two of the smallest Pirate MIDI boxes somewhere under my board and then control away to my hearts content. But FFS, they're from kangaroo land, so that's quite some extra shipping cost and possibly less than ideal should anything ever break. I will now start to annoy the dude I bought the first one from. Or just force him to build me a little box.
 
Ok, regarding the big Tonex boy, out of plain interest: How does it deal with knob-parameter offsets? What happens when you adjust a parameter and the knob's setting is far away from the parameter value? Does it require "capturing" the parameter? Or are there parameter jumps? And in either case, do you get any indication where the parameter was at before you grabbed the knob?
 
Sascha Franck said:
Ok, regarding the big Tonex boy, out of plain interest: How does it deal with knob-parameter offsets? What happens when you adjust a parameter and the knob's setting is far away from the parameter value? Does it require "capturing" the parameter? Or are there parameter jumps? And in either case, do you get any indication where the parameter was at before you grabbed the knob?
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When you first start to turn it, the display flashes the parameter name and then the current value, and then jumps to where you have the knob set, and updates the displayed value smoothly from there.

E.g. if the physical Gain knob is set to 7 and the current Gain value is set to 5, once you start to turn the knob it will flash "GAIN" then "5.0" and then jump to 7 (or wherever the current knob position is if you've been turning it—I don't think there's an actual delay in the value changing, just the display)

Hopefully that makes sense lol. It's kind of hard to explain, but I think works decently well, even if not my absolute favorite way to do it. I do wish guitar stuff allowed you to choose knob behavior like many synths do.

In general, I think the onboard Tonex UI is actually pretty good once you get how the menu system works. It's not faster than using the PC editor, but it's consistent, and fairly quick to change most things.
 
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Just recorded and started training some Extended captures on an M2 Mac Mini. Timer started at 160 mins, now on 220(!) something. This will take awhile… But either way with the new Modeler app it’s not a super big deal to just leave it running for me.

I’m planning to do a bigger suite of captures of my amp in preparation to probably getting a Tonex One before the promo expires.

Update: timer down to 116 minutes again. Will try to keep an eye on it.
 
Progressive_disclosure said:
Just recorded and started training some Extended captures on an M2 Mac Mini. Timer started at 160 mins, now on 220(!) something. This will take awhile… But either way with the new Modeler app it’s not a super big deal to just leave it running for me.
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Did you, by any chance, try to disable the GPU acceleration? Could this possibly help with low-grade GPU Macs?
 
Fwiw, while I thought I'd try to capture some things myself, I can't see myself getting much into it anymore, simply because by now I found so many fantastic captures satisfying all of my needs. Given that my main use case is to run the two T Ones on my pedalboard, nested in the GT-1000's loops and preceeded by some pedals and also given that I quite like the onboard EQ, I can tweak things a whole lot anyway.
So there's really no need to capture anything myself, especially as my Macbook Air is really getting laggy during the long lasting training process.

In the end, while it took me quite some hours to get really familiar with the ecosystem, the differences between patch, preset, editor and plugin versions, now that I'm kinda sorted, this is has turned into an incredibly satisfying thing.
Friday's gig will allow me to use a single rock-ish main dirt sound (unless I need clean funky stuff) all throughout (of course enhanced by some boosting and what not), so the dirt pedals don't need a platform to work, and I will defenitely go for one of the fantastic Marshall captures I came across (not sure which it will be so far, also need to look for the best suitable IR). Quite excited about it, I already had some intense playing fun.
 
Well, I thought to get out my Quilter Superblock US and use it as a preamp, and… [boost > Quilter > Tonex power amp capture] ended up being one of my favorite guitar sounds in a while. I forgot how well the Quilter takes pedals, and the power amp capture really takes it to the next level and smoothes out the brittleness it can sometimes have.

Now I’m almost definitely in the market for a tube preamp… looking at the Kingsley, Tubesteader, and AS stuff…
 
Will you folks please stop giving me ideas? I mean, I still have that pretty fantastic Soldano SP-77 preamp around. Sure needs some servicing, and I'll very likely have that done sort of soon (unfortunately, there's not exactly many decent amp techs over here) - but once done, it'll need a poweramp. And using a Tonex One for that purpose sure looks tempting - just that I didn't exactly plan to get a third one...
 
Btw, on a sidenote: I really always thought I prefered component modeling over captures (for obvious reasons), but for me there's something to be said in favour of captures. Apart from the capture hunting aspect (which is in fact a bit annoying, same thing as with IRs, just with yet some more implications), once you have some captures saved as quickly accessible presets, you can kinda call it a day and just work from there. Simply because there's no options to switch this or that on whatever amp, alter wicked bias and whatever settings and so on. You just work with what you have - and usually, given the core quality of whatever capture is right, I'm absolutely fine with that.
Defenitely helps that I'm using pedals a lot to do some tone shaping (regardless whether they're real or virtual ones) since almost forever already. Core tone, some choice pedals, done.

This is every bit where the Tonex One suits me just fine (sure, I'm still in the honeymoon or rather horrorshow phase of looking at pretty much every capture there is on ToneNET, but that seems to find a bit of a pause already).

Fwiw, while I can defenitely see how people like whatever kind of pseudo-real cab micing artistics, this is the same reason why I'm still using just a mere handful of IRs. No "Oh, let's see what happens when I move that mic a bit out or choose another angle - and what about that condenser mic? Shouldn't I try that as well? - with the few IRs I like (and they're defenitely tried and trusted since some years already), it's set and forget, and then go from there.

All of that will defenitely not stop me from lusting after a Helix Stadium (and possibly grabbing one some day), but as I'm just setting up some things for the next gigs (I hope the second Tonex will arrive in time for friday), I can't help it but having a massive grin at how much I enjoy my current setup (minus the horror that is Boss GT editing, but I'm largely done with it for the time being).
 
The first Extended capture took just under two hours on my M2 Mac Mini. It was power amp only though so others might be slower?

Now I’ve got a whole bunch of captures in the training queue. Something I would have wanted was the ability to edit all the metadata for the captures from the main view in the Modeler app. I can only rename the captures.

Along the way I figured out a naming convention and I’d like to put in the same extra info on each one about the capturing equipment etc., but now I have to wait until they’re in the Player app to do that since I can’t even do it while ”finishing up”. Bummer!

Edit: yes you can update all the metadata in the finishing step. Can’t copy/paste my info from a queued capture though, so my nitpicking still stands!
 
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Progressive_disclosure said:
The first Extended capture took just under two hours on my M2 Mac Mini. It was power amp only though so others might be slower?

Now I’ve got a whole bunch of captures in the training queue. Something I would have wanted was the ability to edit all the metadata for the captures from the main view in the Modeler app. I can only rename the captures.

Along the way I figured out a naming convention and I’d like to put in the same extra info on each one about the capturing equipment etc., but now I have to wait until they’re in the Player app to do that since I can’t even do it while ”finishing up”. Bummer!
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Im guessing the Mac doesn’t use an nvidia gpu which is recommended for extended.
Probably worth doing a normal version and seeing how fast it trains and if there’s any difference in the captures. Could just be a waste of time doing them on a mac

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[Nathan] said:
Im guessing the Mac doesn’t use an nvidia gpu which is recommended for extended.
Probably worth doing a normal version and seeing how fast it trains and if there’s any difference in the captures. Could just be a waste of time doing them on a mac

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Yeah I’m thinking there won’t be much difference but I have no problem letting the computer crunch while I’m working from home on the work computer.

The Optimized takes just over 40 minutes so it’s not a night and day difference, and hopefully it’s a one time thing per capture…

All in all the capturing process is smooth now, just some low hanging fruit that would be like the cherry on top.
 
Progressive_disclosure said:
The first Extended capture took just under two hours on my M2 Mac Mini. It was power amp only though so others might be slower?

Now I’ve got a whole bunch of captures in the training queue. Something I would have wanted was the ability to edit all the metadata for the captures from the main view in the Modeler app. I can only rename the captures.

Along the way I figured out a naming convention and I’d like to put in the same extra info on each one about the capturing equipment etc., but now I have to wait until they’re in the Player app to do that since I can’t even do it while ”finishing up”. Bummer!
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It gives an opportunity to update metadata when you get the the “finalize” stage of the capture.
 
Considering I care a lot about accuracy (typically because the real amp sounds and feels better to me), I only use the extended training.

I don't know if the difference is big (cause I haven't tried other options) but nonetheless.

And that is a lot easier now with the batch processing. Leave stuff overnight and come next day, can play through what I get.
 
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