IK Multimedia TONEX

[MirrorProfiles]

Sounds like there was a lot of room to turn up?

- Line Output Level X8 (+20dBu, Sine Wave 1kHz @ -16.202 dB) = 1.2382 VAC (Measured TRS cable between Tip/Ring).
- Tonex Capture then put out 0.5801 VAC.

That actually sounds like it’s only attenuating 7dB or so. So with gear that outputs 20dBu or more, you should be able to make OK captures with ToneX capture. It’ll be dependent on the max level your D/A outputs though, and I think there are better options out there.

The reamp outputs on their interfaces, like the Axe I/O are the only that REALLY attenuate too much - they’ll only put out a max of -6dBu:

AXE I/O

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[Sascha Franck]

Honestly, the Tonex software is a lot more easy than making a NAM model, even with Tone3000.

No. Way.
I just have it opened. And if all I wanted to do is to capture something already running in my DAW (either a plugin or an already working re-amping stream), this seems incredibly convoluted. Looks as if I have to setup a virtual audio stream into the DAW and then back into the Tonex software.
How is that easy at all?

 

[Sascha Franck]

Ok, I'm not gonna capture anything with this.
Give me a testfile and let me run it through anything I want without having to recable my interface or set up virtual audio streams. That's how things should be like. Tone3000 has that nailed, IK fails miserably.
Yes, ToneX might be decent enough for anyone having their hardware set up for reamping permanently. In all other cases, it's just plain bad.

 

[Orvillain]

No. Way.
I just have it opened. And if all I wanted to do is to capture something already running in my DAW (either a plugin or an already working re-amping stream), this seems incredibly convoluted. Looks as if I have to setup a virtual audio stream into the DAW and then back into the Tonex software.
How is that easy at all?

You're doing it wrong. ToneX is now a piece of piss, and I would argue is now the class leader when it comes to the capturing experience. Better than Kemper, better than QC, better than the knob hoops you need to jump through to do NAM training on a local machine too.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

No. Way.
I just have it opened. And if all I wanted to do is to capture something already running in my DAW (either a plugin or an already working re-amping stream), this seems incredibly convoluted. Looks as if I have to setup a virtual audio stream into the DAW and then back into the Tonex software.
How is that easy at all?

it’s not designed for capturing plugins. and if you want to do that, just route them to virtual channels.

It really is dead simple and much easier than NAM

 

[Sascha Franck]

You're doing it wrong.

Nonsense. There's no way to do it wrong if you follow the instructions in the Tonex Modeler app.
And for that to work as purposed, I either have to recable my interface (a pretty bad thing with a stereo I/O interface as you can't listen to things properly during the process anymore) or set up some virtual audio stream. No way around that.

better than the knob hoops you need to jump through to do NAM training on a local machine too.

No need to train NAM files locally as long as there's Tone3000 for free.

Apart from that, it's not about the training process at all but about setting up a capturing scenario. Which is plain awkward with the Tonex software and just elegant with NAM.

 

[Sascha Franck]

It really is dead simple and much easier than NAM

It's not. Not even for capturing hardware. Besides, capturing plugins should be *easier*, not more difficult.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

It's not. Not even for capturing hardware.

What is hard about it? You don’t have to deal with trimming files, file formats, exporting files, dragging to a web browser, setting parameters, downloading and dealing with file locations. NAM is easy these days but it still requires way more technical knowledge and understanding, as well as there being more technical steps to take. Whatever way you look at it, it’s more work.

Maybe sampling crisp packets shouldn’t be used as a basis for measuring simplicity?

 

[Sascha Franck]

What is hard about it?

Ok, for capturing hardware, it might just be sort of the same as with NAM. Maybe a tad easier even. But when capturing plugins (which I absolutely want to do for various reasons), it's super convoluted.
If IK wanted, they could as well add an option to do this, skipping steps 1-3 (or even 4), provide a testfile and allow me to slap the tweaked version straight into the software for training.

 

[MirrorProfiles]

Ok, for capturing hardware, it might just be sort of the same as with NAM. Maybe a tad easier even. But when capturing plugins (which I absolutely want to do for various reasons), it's super convoluted.
If IK wanted, they could as well add an option to do this, skipping steps 1-3 (or even 4), provide a testfile and allow me to slap the tweaked version straight into the software for training.

Right, well its primary use isn’t for capturing plugins. And that’s dead simple to do anyway by using virtual channels in your interface. Or using something like Pro Tools Audio Bridge can do it too.

It’s about as simple to use as you could hope it to be, and far more straightforward and intuitive than NAM is.

You could probably fudge around with reamping in the DAW and messing with the metadata files but it’s just adding needless complexity when you can just use virtual channels and be done.

 

[Orvillain]

No need to train NAM files locally as long as there's Tone3000 for free.

waaaaaaay waaaaaaay slower than training locally. I have a NVIDIA 4090. I want to use it.

 

[Sascha Franck]

waaaaaaay waaaaaaay slower than training locally.

On my testrun it took me a mere 10 minutes or so. And as a Macbook Air user, I defenitely profit from online services.

 

[Orvillain]

On my testrun it took me a mere 10 minutes or so. And as a Macbook Air user, I defenitely profit from online services.

ToneX captures here are taking 3-4minutes for the advanced training.

BTW - if you had an RME card, setting up a loopback for capturing plugins would be quite easy.

 

[Sascha Franck]

ToneX captures here are taking 3-4minutes for the advanced training.

I may give it a testrun later on, but I expect things to take a LOT longer.

BTW - if you had an RME card, setting up a loopback for capturing plugins would be quite easy.

I know. But I don't.

Another question: How are captures dealing with latency introduced by your routing? I have a decent idea about how I could capture both hard and software, even a combination of the two, but that'd likely involve using the HX Stomp (or GT-1000, but the Stomp has the better FX loop, should I want to capture hardware). With the Tone3000 method I'd just trim all latency from the recorded file, so how is the Tonex app taking care of it?

 

[Mikael Dez]

I’m trading a cheap acoustic today for my old ToneX pedal I sold my coworker - y’all got me hyped up to try it again lol

 

[Chocol8]

The reamp outputs on their interfaces, like the Axe I/O are the only that REALLY attenuate too much - they’ll only put out a max of -6dBu:

True, and that is pretty low, but there is also a line out on those devices. There are limited circumstances where you actually need the reamp out because most amps or pedals will handle a hotter low impedance output just fine.

 

[Mikael Dez]

This may have been answered - but will Amalgam update their v1 packs for the folks that already purchased them? I have their IIC+ and MkV packs

 

[Richard_G]

This may have been answered - but will Amalgam update their v1 packs for the folks that already purchased them? I have their IIC+ and MkV packs

Yes. Karlis/Amalgam has stated that all customers who have bought Tonex capture products directly from their website will get free v2 Tonex modeler updates once they become available.

But he has also been clear on that it may take time.

 

[Mikael Dez]

Yes. Karlis/Amalgam has stated that all customers who have bought Tonex capture products directly from their website will get free v2 Tonex modeler updates once they become available.

But he has also been clear on that it may take time.

I bought it off the ToneX marketplace back in the day. I don't really care because I plan on just capturing my own MkV now but it would be cool. I mainly played around with Diezel VH4 and Fortin Nameless captures back before I sold it, that's probably still going to be my main use for this aside from jamming with an "all in one box" device anyway.

 

[paisleywookiee]

Ok, for capturing hardware, it might just be sort of the same as with NAM. Maybe a tad easier even. But when capturing plugins (which I absolutely want to do for various reasons), it's super convoluted.
If IK wanted, they could as well add an option to do this, skipping steps 1-3 (or even 4), provide a testfile and allow me to slap the tweaked version straight into the software for training.

ToneX has never once been marketed as something to capture plugins. So complaining about it is a bit silly, IMO.