IK Multimedia TONEX

Byrdman said:
Looks like I'm joining the club! I just bought a B-Stock Tonex pedal on Reverb direct from IKMM for $250 + tax & free shipping. Full warranty and includes AmpliTude 5 and Tonex Max SW.

Figured I could not go wrong at that price. At GC and FBMP all the used Tonex were around $250-$300 and most dont come with the SW that was originally given with it.

Other than reading through 57 pages here, anyone have some beginner tips to get me moving in the right direction?
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That’s a steal! Nice find!

You’re going to want to start by just walking the captures in Tonex Max. Then hit up tonenet and try some of the free caps from amalgam, SDS, and others.
 
Byrdman said:
Looks like I'm joining the club! I just bought a B-Stock Tonex pedal on Reverb direct from IKMM for $250 + tax & free shipping. Full warranty and includes AmpliTude 5 and Tonex Max SW.

Figured I could not go wrong at that price. At GC and FBMP all the used Tonex were around $250-$300 and most dont come with the SW that was originally given with it.

Other than reading through 57 pages here, anyone have some beginner tips to get me moving in the right direction?
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Advice? Check this thread about input levels. Try all the factory captures and free stuff available before you sink cash in to buying captures.

Good luck and congratulations!
 
synthpenguin said:
It seems to me that input trim only matters much if you’re trying to match the intended / listed gain level of a capture with Gain at 5. Amalgam, for example, directs you to use 8.0 as a starting point for single coils and 0.0 as a starting point for humbuckers with their captures.
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The first part is correct, the second part kinda but not really.

The GLOBAL input trim and the PER PRESET gain controls are two separate or combined ways to adjust your input signal level to get either 1) the intended gain of the capture or 2) whatever the heck you want. Remember, Tonex adjusts to different signal levels very well, more like a real amp than most digital users are probably used to, so you don't need to be married to the gain level as captured.

The suggestion from Karlis (Amalgam) has always been to follow the IK instructions for setting trim, which is basically to test with your highest output level hard strumming and adjust to be high but below clipping. The suggested values of about 8 and about 0 are just approximations that may get you in the ballpark depending on pickups, pickup height, strings, right hand technique etc.

If you mostly use it with one guitar, or all your guitars have similar output levels, I agree with the IK advice, and suggest setting the input trim to just below clipping with the hottest signal coming from your guitar/board. BUT if you have multiple guitar output levels, consider setting the input trim for the highest output guitar and then using the per-preset gain control to have different presets for lower output guitars.

Or, you can always allow it to have less gain for lower output pickups like the online mob pushing for calibrated levels would suggest. You know "if I plug in this guitar I want it to sound exactly like if I plugged into the real amp while Karlis was capturing it" crowd. The problem with that approach is it is not how anyone who knew what they were doing ever used a real amp! When you plug your guitar into a new amp, the first thing you would normally do is adjust the controls to get the volume, gain, and tome as you want it. No one ever plugs in thinking I want the amp set exactly the way the last guy left the knobs for his guitar because that is what should be perfect for my different guitar and playing style.
 
EOengineer said:
That’s a steal! Nice find!

You’re going to want to start by just walking the captures in Tonex Max. Then hit up tonenet and try some of the free caps from amalgam, SDS, and others.
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Thanks!!

I'm running my Stomp XL in 4CM with my Marshalls and would like to add tonex to the efx loop on my amp so I can use the power amp side with the captures

Let me know if anyone is doing the same

Thanks!
 
Byrdman said:
add tonex to the efx loop on my amp so I can use the power amp side with the captures

Let me know if anyone is doing the same
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A lot of people are doing this in various forms. The short take is that many of us who have spent time with real amps and cabs prefer Tonex (or any digital sim) with no cab sim or IR into a real cab, and many who do that are using the effects returns or amp in on both tube and SS guitar amps. It works great, the downside mainly being the amount of gear you need to haul if doing it outside your home.
 
Chocol8 said:
The suggestion from Karlis (Amalgam) has always been to follow the IK instructions for setting trim, which is basically to test with your highest output level hard strumming and adjust to be high but below clipping. The suggested values of about 8 and about 0 are just approximations that may get you in the ballpark depending on pickups, pickup height, strings, right hand technique etc.
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Ah, I was going by him saying:
I feed HB and SC level signal levels into the amp when doing captures meant for Humbuckers or Single Coils respectively. +8 for single coils and 0 for Humbuckers should work as a starting point for most guitars of this type.
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in the comments of this video:

But maybe I misunderstood what he's referring to here! But I read that as meaning those are starting points, and then to go from there.

Either way, it hasn't been an issue for me.
 
KingsXJJ said:
Try all the factory captures and free stuff available before you sink cash in to buying captures.
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I definitely agree with this. I still haven't had to actually buy any captures, though I play to buy some of the Amalgam after demoing the free samples. But even just the free samples from the people who make premium captures can get you really far!

Also, fwiw there actually are some direct amp captures included stock too, so that's easy to try without downloading or buying anything too.
 
synthpenguin said:
But maybe I misunderstood what he's referring to here! But I read that as meaning those are starting points, and then to go from there.
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Those will get you in the ballpark, and for a lot of people, that is close enough. There was a video with the Italian guy who does a lot of his demos where he shows how to set the input trim and why using the software, but it was basically the same thing as IK's instructions.
 
Chocol8 said:
A lot of people are doing this in various forms. The short take is that many of us who have spent time with real amps and cabs prefer Tonex (or any digital sim) with no cab sim or IR into a real cab, and many who do that are using the effects returns or amp in on both tube and SS guitar amps. It works great, the downside mainly being the amount of gear you need to haul if doing it outside your home.
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That is the way I am running my Stomp XL, no IR or sims and going in to a real cab. I do have IR Blocks in my presets just in case I have to go direct to the PA.
 
Deadpan said:
Hey!

I added it to that pack but I don't remember which capture it was.

Congrats on the purchase. With a little patience it is fantastic!

That is the only pack I have on the site currently.

All other packs are listed in the Partner section of the app.
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I'm new at this, and I plan to run it without cab sims and IR's are there amp only captures and/or amp + effects? I also read where you can take the cab or IR out of the capture, but it's a hit or miss (mostly Misses) from what I have read.

I'll check out the Partner section when I get everything installed and running.

Thanks!!
 
Byrdman said:
I'm new at this, and I plan to run it without cab sims and IR's are there amp only captures and/or amp + effects? I also read where you can take the cab or IR out of the capture, but it's a hit or miss (mostly Misses) from what I have read.

I'll check out the Partner section when I get everything installed and running.

Thanks!!
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Yep, if you look at Amalgam packs then they do a lot of them DI without cab.
 
Also fwiw there are about 25 or so direct (amp only / no cab) captures included in the factory collection, so you have a fair amount to try out there too. All of these ones have "(Amp)" at the end of their name, so you can search that in the Tone Model section of the Software Library (Tonex Editor > Librarian [button at the top left] > Software Library [right half of the screen] > Tone Model [button just below "Software Library"]) to find them, or use the filter button there (to the left of "Filters" on that screen) to filter by "TYPE", and then select Amp (the icon looks like an amp head) and/or Amp+Stomp (the icon just to the right of the Amp one).
 
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