How do you get into your creative mind and what is your writing process?

It’s near impossible to completely silence your brain, it’s more about not entertaining the thoughts that are running through your head at the time,
100% this. It's not about shutting off all your thoughts so much as being aware of them (and your breathing/senses) and controlling your focus. I think there are many ways to meditate and find that focus. I quite like the app called Balance which is guided but I think it's just about trying an approach that works for you. For some people, it's doing something mundane where your mind can drift freely (like doing the dishes or going for a run) and that can be enough.

I find it just clears the distractions from your mind, kind of like filing documents into a filing cabinet rather than being scattered all around your desk.
 
I can’t do guided meditations, I just want the person to STFU the whole time. :rofl I can see how they can assist in getting some people in the zone, but I also think they muddy the waters more often than not. It’s near impossible to completely silence your brain, it’s more about not entertaining the thoughts that are running through your head at the time, like you’re standing in a crowded subway and the thoughts are all the other people moving around you while you stand in one place, you’re not going to engage with any of those people just let them freely move around.

The more you do it the easier it gets, some days I just need 2 minutes in my office to detach my brain and then I can start sorting out my next steps with a bit more clarity, sometimes I’ll do it right in the middle of a meeting. Eventually it’s easier to slow the thoughts down so you don’t feel like you have to jump on them as they come to you. On the tougher days, I’ll just picture the thoughts as words floating by me, that way I’m forcing myself to not think about the thoughts, but the shape of the words as I ‘see’ them moving around me.

And something I noticed when I first started writing my own music, despite being a metalhead at the time, the best I could do was coming up with 4 chords and a vocal melody that were anything but metal. At one point I thought I was destined to write shitty pop tunes, but it was a bit like I had to flush that stuff out before I could move onto riffs or anything else.
While reading this I kind of made the connection to the shower thing. Maybe this is why things come to me first thing in the morning when I am taking my morning shower. That is before my brain takes off for the day. I am not sure I even know how to try to get started with meditation without the guided version.
 
100% this. It's not about shutting off all your thoughts so much as being aware of them (and your breathing/senses) and controlling your focus. I think there are many ways to meditate and find that focus. I quite like the app called Balance which is guided but I think it's just about trying an approach that works for you. For some people, it's doing something mundane where your mind can drift freely (like doing the dishes or going for a run) and that can be enough.

I find it just clears the distractions from your mind, kind of like filing documents into a filing cabinet rather than being scattered all around your desk.
It is interesting that you mentioned this. My though immediately went to a long ride on my motorcycle. This is one thing I love about taking a long ride on it. I am out in the breeze, listening to music and seeing everything around me. It is a very calming thing for me. A long drive in my vehicle works as well. I like to take a trip or two every year where I am driving for at least 3 or 4 hours in one direction. An all day drive to another state is also something I enjoy. I don't want to do it every day but once or twice a year is good. The 3 to 4 hours trips I like to do more often. There is a group that I will ride with occasionally where we ride a couple of hours to different places then hang out for a bit then ride home. I haven't been on one of those rides for a while but have been thinking I need to go on a couple. They do them every weekend. Maybe I should ride down some weekend and meet Drew in person some week. That is probably a little over an hour ride.
 
My main source of meditation comes from reading gear comments about which modeler is best, how tone is or isn't in the hands, and why FR cabs are never quite as good.
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It is interesting that you mentioned this. My though immediately went to a long ride on my motorcycle. This is one thing I love about taking a long ride on it. I am out in the breeze, listening to music and seeing everything around me. It is a very calming thing for me. A long drive in my vehicle works as well. I like to take a trip or two every year where I am driving for at least 3 or 4 hours in one direction. An all day drive to another state is also something I enjoy. I don't want to do it every day but once or twice a year is good. The 3 to 4 hours trips I like to do more often. There is a group that I will ride with occasionally where we ride a couple of hours to different places then hang out for a bit then ride home. I haven't been on one of those rides for a while but have been thinking I need to go on a couple. They do them every weekend. Maybe I should ride down some weekend and meet Drew in person some week. That is probably a little over an hour ride.
Same thing when I take a long day trip fishing, just me and the water. Lots to think about.
 
I started drinking a kava tea or two in the evening before I pick up a guitar. It seems to lower my self awareness which in turn means my inner critic gets lazy and doesn't bother providing a running chronicle of all my faults and mistakes as I play, which in turn lets me just play, which gets me into a creative state much more readily.
 
I am revisiting this thread. I am trying again, in between other life things, to get a workflow down to build something musical. I found that the more logical approach I planned on trying works better for lyrics than it does for the music part of writing. That means I am back to looking for a way to build something, anything.

John Mayer said in an interview that the music is the easy part for him, the lyrics are harder and finding lyrics and music that go together is the really hard part. I am finding that I seem to be better at writing lyrics than I am at the music part.

I am adding another question to my original question of how do you get in your creative mind? What is your writing process?

I know I need a melody, supporting chord progression/s (harmony) and lyrics. For an instrumental I need the melody line and supporting chord progression/s (harmony).

What is your writing process for creating these parts and meshing them into a song?
 
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What is your writing process for creating these parts and meshing them into a song?
A big portion of the stuff I've been writing these days is done at the time of recording, and I usually don't let more than a day go by before finishing the song. I think the more time you put into the process of writing, the easier it becomes. Like any craft.

My process is fairly organic. Usually I have a basic goal of "ok, this is going to be heavier song." Or, "I want this to be mellow and atmospheric".
But other than that, it's all about spontaneity and trusting my ear to guide me. Also, knowing when something isn't working, and moving on quickly. And conversely, knowing when something is unique and interesting -- then build upon that further.

As far as structure and arrangement, my philosophy is straightforward. Keep it mostly simple, but throw in some unexpected things along the way to keep it interesting. I mean, I hope it is, if someone listens to my track. And that brings up another point: I write stuff because it makes me feel good, but I have no control over whether someone else likes it. I hope they do, but if they don't that's cool too.

Sorry if that's not helpful, just thinking out loud. My advice is to not overthink it too much. I'm very guilty of this in past years and feel like I wasted a lot of time expecting something perfect and overanalyzing. Just keep chugging away and eventually you'll hit on something special.
 
I am revisiting this thread. I am trying again, in between other life things, to get a workflow down to build something musical. I found that the more logical approach I planned on trying works better for lyrics than it does for the music part of writing. That means I am back to looking for a way to build something, anything.

John Mayer said in an interview that the music is the easy part for him, the lyrics are harder and finding lyrics and music that go together is the really hard part. I am finding that I seem to be better at writing lyrics than I am at the music part.

I am adding another question to my original question of how do you get in your creative mind? What is your writing process?

I know I need a melody, supporting chord progression/s (harmony) and lyrics. For an instrumental I need the melody line and supporting chord progression/s (harmony).

What is your writing process for creating these parts and meshing them into a song?
OK, I remember reading this thread in January, and just could not bring myself to type out all the BS in my head! I will refrain from all that swirls in that cesspool, but here are a few things about my process, I hope something helps.

Over the years, I have found that my most inspirational moments often came when I was on two wheels. Be it bicycle or motorcycle, I almost without fail would come up with a new idea when pulling a balancing act. I decided that it was because it was creating a connection between the left and right brain halves, but who know if that is correct or not, just a theory. Now considering I have not ridden either a bicycle or a motorbike in over a decade now, how do I come up with anything?

Well, although being on two wheels has always been very inspirational to me, life in general is often an inspiration for me regardless of where I am or what I am doing. I can see a road sign and a song pops into my head. Mind you, when I say a song, it is going to be a play on words. As soon as that is in my head, the song starts building itself and I try to find a way to at least get the basic idea into some form I can reference in the future because more have slipped away in my life than have been developed.

When it comes to musical pieces (a very small percentage of my output), those generally happen when I am noodling and something catches my ear. I did have a incident recently where I heard a steam engine making what I thought was a very cool sound and to a cool beat, and immediately said to myself "oh, that is going into a song", but I don't know what it will be yet. I did get a recording of that engine, so I have that to go back to and will use it eventually. But other musical pieces generally are the result of me finding a sound or a phrase or a beat that I like, and running with it from there. Sometimes it is the sound of a plugin or effect that inspires, other times it could be the sound of an animal, etc.

I HATE, with a passion, sitting down with an intention to create or write. If it does not come organically, I generally do not want a part of it. I have done it, and I have been happy with my output when I have done so, but not nearly as happy as when a muse taps me on the shoulder and inspires me to create.

All that said, that is ME, not you or others. The most important factor I would point to (and this goes a bit to your "throwing stuff away" Jason) is to embrace who and what you are and be happy with that. If you want to be better at something specific, you know what you have to do, put the time in to hone that skillset, but don't discount who and what you are naturally, even if it is not at the level you want or expect it to be. For me, I know that I am never going to be a world class producer, I am not going to be the best guitar player on the block, I am not going to be the most amazing songwriter since Dylan, I am simply going to be me. And I am going to write my simple songs, with cowboy chords, throw in a minor or seventh for accents here and there and move on to the next one. Over the past 10 years (released my first song Oct 31, 2014) I have released almost 100 songs. Some of them received radio airplay, most of them received the sound of silence! But I am proud of my work, even the stuff that I look back on with a bit of cringe. I am proud of it all because I took the steps to complete it and set it free from my mind and that to me is more important than spending the rest of my life trying to create a masterpiece.

I am sure some will call me lazy for not taking the time to learn this or that, or develop this or that to a higher degree. I don't care. I have thousands of songs to work on (with more written every month) and I don't have the time to perfect them as I will never reach perfection, there will always be something more I can do to it to make it a little bit better and I am done chasing the masterpiece. I have resigned to the role of making what many would consider bad demo quality releases, but at least I am getting it out there and moving on.

Yeah, this is the short version! But ultimately Jason I would say, stop doubting yourself and expecting your output to be everything that it could be if you had a team of engineers, producers and pro musicians to make it into that masterpiece in your head. Instead, put out what is in you, and the rest of that may very well follow (and even if it does not, you will have accomplished something rather than wondering why you can't get anything out the door or even recorded) ;~))

Yours truly~
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I started drinking a kava tea or two in the evening before I pick up a guitar. It seems to lower my self awareness which in turn means my inner critic gets lazy and doesn't bother providing a running chronicle of all my faults and mistakes as I play, which in turn lets me just play, which gets me into a creative state much more readily.

While I haven’t gone down the kava road, I have a lot of experience with kratom, which is usually found in every kava bar. I strongly advise staying away from kratom if it’s ever offered to you. Or at least head over to Reddit and check out r/QuittingKratom first to see what it’s like getting off it once you realize you’re addicted to it. No one ever tells anyone in these shops that the stuff is highly addictive and the withdrawals are worse than your average opiate withdrawals, the majority found out after it was too late, which is exactly how I found out.

I’ll spend the rest of my convincing myself I don’t need it and it’s not worth even 1 dose.
 
If I don’t already have a riff I want to develop into a song, I just open Logic and set the click to a tempo I’m feeling at the moment and start noodling. I usually go in with a goal, like if I want to do something heavy or something chill and go from there.

I’ll noodle until something cool happens, stop recording and edit the piece down to a smaller waveform, slide it off to the side and start up again. Once I’ve got 3-5 chunks of music all in the same tempo/key I’ll start arranging them into intro/verse/chorus/etc, then start writing drums for the parts.

For vocals and leads I need the whole song written out. Usually a vocal idea will pop up when I’m writing/recording it, but to really nail down the flow of everything I have to hear the song in its entirety first. A lot of times I end up writing things in reverse because I’ll hear how I want a chorus or lead to end and it’s just a matter of working my way backwards from there.
 
I am a great riff writer (imo lol) but it falls apart for me when I try and integrate it into a song. I'll get two, three parts deep before I start feeling overwhelmed and in over my head (particularly rough mixing and even just writing drum parts). Back in my early days I'd play with my buddy who was a lot better than I was at songwriting, a lot of the time I'd bring two or three riffs to the table and he'd help me piece it together. I'm trying to overcome that hurdle but it's difficult in between family life and work. All of these are excuses for not finishing what I start and it's a personal problem that I need to overcome - and a finished song is better than a badass single riff.

I have been very inspired by my Mark V:35 through my Suhr RL and into Helix though, and I gotta stop buying gear before I produce SOMEthing :bag
 
While I haven’t gone down the kava road, I have a lot of experience with kratom, which is usually found in every kava bar. I strongly advise staying away from kratom if it’s ever offered to you. Or at least head over to Reddit and check out r/QuittingKratom first to see what it’s like getting off it once you realize you’re addicted to it. No one ever tells anyone in these shops that the stuff is highly addictive and the withdrawals are worse than your average opiate withdrawals, the majority found out after it was too late, which is exactly how I found out.

I’ll spend the rest of my convincing myself I don’t need it and it’s not worth even 1 dose.
Appreciate the heads up, although I've never had any desire to try kratom. The sell it around where I live. I was at a smoke shop once to buy a cigar for someone for a gift and somehow the topic came up with the person working the counter. Apparently the shop sold it for a while but stopped because of a high incidence of behavioral problems with the clientele for that product--apparently they were routinely rude and belligerent. and made the employees uncomfortable.

Other than both having "k" and "a" in their spelling, I don't think there are any similarities between kratom and kava. Kava is extremely mild. It's not illegal where I live, but I haven't found anywhere that sells it nearby, so I get mine online. It's commonly described as an alcohol alternative tht doesn't cause any impairment or hangovers. It doesn't cause impairment or hangovers in my experience, but I also don't find it intoxicating so I tend not to think of it as an alcohol substitute.

I'm aware that some people turn to kratom to try to beat opioid addictions, and if it helps someone in that quest, best wishes to them. But it's not for me. Admittedly, I say that while never having tried it.
 
Appreciate the heads up, although I've never had any desire to try kratom. The sell it around where I live. I was at a smoke shop once to buy a cigar for someone for a gift and somehow the topic came up with the person working the counter. Apparently the shop sold it for a while but stopped because of a high incidence of behavioral problems with the clientele for that product--apparently they were routinely rude and belligerent. and made the employees uncomfortable.

Other than both having "k" and "a" in their spelling, I don't think there are any similarities between kratom and kava. Kava is extremely mild. It's not illegal where I live, but I haven't found anywhere that sells it nearby, so I get mine online. It's commonly described as an alcohol alternative tht doesn't cause any impairment or hangovers. It doesn't cause impairment or hangovers in my experience, but I also don't find it intoxicating so I tend not to think of it as an alcohol substitute.

I'm aware that some people turn to kratom to try to beat opioid addictions, and if it helps someone in that quest, best wishes to them. But it's not for me. Admittedly, I say that while never having tried it.

I could write a book about it, but kratom is also what I’d consider “extremely mild”, you don’t lose motor functions, don’t slur words, you don’t feel fucked up or intoxicated. It was described to me initially as “the best cup of coffee in the world, except it tastes gross and gives you a little body buzz” and that was quite accurate. Which is why it’s such a mindfuck when the withdrawals hit, because they’re remarkably intense for something that doesn’t actually affect you that intensely. I’ve withdrawn from methadone before, that was a 3-day flu, kratom feels like your bones being crushed under your weight while your nerves freeze/burn/itch as you pray you don’t puke because the migraine you’ve had for hours might actually feel worse.

And yep, it’s certainly helped a lot of people get off both hard opiates and alcohol, often times replacing them both for what people consider “acceptable” because of it’s lack of impairment when taking it. My sister used it to get off fentanyl and my ex used it to get off heroin. It absolutely has its benefits, but it needs to be marketed properly with hefty warnings. It’s the most effective pain reliever I’ve ever used because it actually relieved pain instead of making me fucked up like pain killers.

Had my introduction to it been far more honest I wouldn’t have started taking it daily. At this point I know it’s not something I can ever utilize for any kind of relief, I don’t trust myself to not keep using it.
 
I could write a book about it, but kratom is also what I’d consider “extremely mild”, you don’t lose motor functions, don’t slur words, you don’t feel fucked up or intoxicated. It was described to me initially as “the best cup of coffee in the world, except it tastes gross and gives you a little body buzz” and that was quite accurate. Which is why it’s such a mindfuck when the withdrawals hit, because they’re remarkably intense for something that doesn’t actually affect you that intensely. I’ve withdrawn from methadone before, that was a 3-day flu, kratom feels like your bones being crushed under your weight while your nerves freeze/burn/itch as you pray you don’t puke because the migraine you’ve had for hours might actually feel worse.

And yep, it’s certainly helped a lot of people get off both hard opiates and alcohol, often times replacing them both for what people consider “acceptable” because of it’s lack of impairment when taking it. My sister used it to get off fentanyl and my ex used it to get off heroin. It absolutely has its benefits, but it needs to be marketed properly with hefty warnings. It’s the most effective pain reliever I’ve ever used because it actually relieved pain instead of making me fucked up like pain killers.

Had my introduction to it been far more honest I wouldn’t have started taking it daily. At this point I know it’s not something I can ever utilize for any kind of relief, I don’t trust myself to not keep using it.
Sounds like scary stuff, which would expel it from the mild category for me. Kava doesn't seem to come with any dependence whatsoever--a person (or at least I) can drink it every day for a while then stop "cold turkey" for a week or two with no ill effects, something I've done repeatedly. Doesn't intoxicate me, doesn't foster dependence, and goes nicely with guitar.
 
Sounds like scary stuff, which would expel it from the mild category for me. Kava doesn't seem to come with any dependence whatsoever--a person (or at least I) can drink it every day for a while then stop "cold turkey" for a week or two with no ill effects, something I've done repeatedly. Doesn't intoxicate me, doesn't foster dependence, and goes nicely with guitar.
My Naturopath recommended kava to help me relax and improve sleep. Haven’t used it in awhile as I’m sleeping a lot better these days without needing anything. Never really thought about it from the angle of relaxing when I play. Might have to see if it affects my mental state for making music.
 
My Naturopath recommended kava to help me relax and improve sleep. Haven’t used it in awhile as I’m sleeping a lot better these days without needing anything. Never really thought about it from the angle of relaxing when I play. Might have to see if it affects my mental state for making music.
That's the reason I first tried it. My sleep wasn't great and I began to suspect maybe I had some low level anxiety going on. I have to admit it didn't help a ton with sleep, but I often get out my guitar for an hour or so in the evening to begin my wind down process, so that's when I'd fix a kava. It was a surprise when I noticed something while playing, but I have a habit of being too critical of myself while playing which would lead to frustration, and that's what kava seems to alleviate. My attention stays with the current note rather than dwelling on the clam I hit a minute ago.
 
Generally speaking the creative mind/writing process has to get into me not the other way around…

As far as writing once some juices are flowing I need to act fast and have a relatively “final product” within a day or 3 of the original idea

If I try and wait too long to develop a riff or act picky the longer it takes the chances grow exponentially that it will never actually develop into anything


Substances may or may not help. I’ve written great shit fucked up and written great shit completely sober. And to clarify, “great” is an extremely relative term here. I’ve never written anything truly “great” :rofl


Outside of writing, improv is another importsnt musical thing to me (probably almost equally as importsnt as composition). A bit of alcohol can definitely help me step out more and be a bit more adventuresome/confident trying things. It also can quickly start having diminishing returns rather quickly to the point of wrecking shit :LOL:

I stopped drinking entirely for about 8 months in 2024 to see if I could lose weight/feel better/have more clarity etc etc etc. unfortunately I didn’t see any improvement in any areas lol. Didn’t find any improved performance being completely sober at gigs either


Weed can be fun for jamming too, but my tolerance is very low compared to when I was younger so it can result in me getting too much in my head

A while back I was also experimenting with microdosing mushrooms before practice which had some interesting results. Nailing a true micro dose almost felt like activating cheat mode playing guitar. But when you are just eyeballing a tiny nibble of a mushroom you can have varying results. Especially if said mushroom is a penis envy :rofl
 
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