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Never say never…

Set up a patch on my stomp for one song playing at a gig tomorrow. Song has just a few too many tap dance moves during a transition to ever land super clean so for two parts of the song I will be using a digital amp through the badlander :eek:

I just went with the Panama red, didn’t even experiment with other models sounded solid enough first try
 
Line 6 HX Stomp Limited-Edition Multi-Effects Pedal Seafoam Green


Another color spotted. Seafoam Green at GC/MF.
 
Another color spotted. Seafoam Green at GC/MF.

As said before, I don't think any color apart from black, white and maybe some sort of grey-ish/silver-ish fits the digital nature and appearance of the screen and LED ring colors well. Of course, this is as subjective as it gets. And fwiw, I usually just dig seafoam green.
 
Question about Helix Native: is there any way to sync the tremolo rate with the DAW, so it resets when you hit play (or when you bounce)?

I have a guitar track with a very heavy tremolo set to 1/8T, and I just realized it doesn't do this (I assumed it would), which is giving me some headache, because I have to export it and pray that it was synced this time.

The Arturia MiniFreak, for instance, does it, and it's quite convenient because you can trust that the rhythm will go perfectly in sync.

EDIT: summoning @Digital Igloo just to ask if this is normal behaviour. I'm, on 3.71, btw.

I just tried with Studio One's built-in X-Trem and it does sync perfectly. Don't know if this would be a Helix Native bug or just something that has been overlooked.
 
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Question about Helix Native: is there any way to sync the tremolo rate with the DAW, so it resets when you hit play (or when you bounce)?

Not sure whether that is possible...
Your DAW would have to send some sort of reset info on start, but usually that's only working for MIDI stuff.

The Arturia MiniFreak, for instance, does it, and it's quite convenient because you can trust that the rhythm will go perfectly in sync.

Yeah well, see above, that's because it's a MIDI device and most DAWs reset certain parameters on start, most synths will then understand those reset messages. But all that is usually not happening on audio tracks.
 
I just tried with Studio One's built-in X-Trem and it does sync perfectly.

And fwiw, that's perhaps because they can use an internal protocol for communication.
But then, maybe it's as well part of the audio plugin standard, just that HXN doesn't support that part.
 
Question about Helix Native: is there any way to sync the tremolo rate with the DAW, so it resets when you hit play (or when you bounce)?

I have a guitar track with a very heavy tremolo set to 1/8T, and I just realized it doesn't do this (I assumed it would), which is giving me some headache, because I have to export it and pray that it was synced this time.

The Arturia MiniFreak, for instance, does it, and it's quite convenient because you can trust that the rhythm will go perfectly in sync.

EDIT: summoning @Digital Igloo just to ask if this is normal behaviour. I'm, on 3.71, btw.

I just tried with Studio One's built-in X-Trem and it does sync perfectly. Don't know if this would be a Helix Native bug or just something that has been overlooked.
I guess you could still automate the parameters tho, at least toggling stuff works just fine if you're using a click/tempo track, rate/speed should probably be doable as well - meaning not auto-synced maybe, but you could set different values for each part.
 
we don't deserve any new amp models until the Bogner Uberschall is given its due respect for just how good it is. Absolutely killer model, one of the best in Helix and for whatever reason people think Badonk is special with no mention of the Uber :wat
 
we don't deserve any new amp models until the Bogner Uberschall is given its due respect for just how good it is. Absolutely killer model, one of the best in Helix and for whatever reason people think Badonk is special with no mention of the Uber :wat
As i recall them they’re very different, not comparable at all. Then both has interesting low gain sounds though.
 
As i recall them they’re very different, not comparable at all. Then both has interesting low gain sounds though.
Oh for sure, all they really have in common is the fact they're both high gain amps. I just don't understand the hype over (the very purposefully digital sounding) Badonk when there's such good emulations of iconic amps.
 
I guess you could still automate the parameters tho, at least toggling stuff works just fine if you're using a click/tempo track, rate/speed should probably be doable as well - meaning not auto-synced maybe, but you could set different values for each part.
Not sure if I got you😅 The thing is that, while the tempo is synced with the one set in the DAW project, the Helix Native clock goes on its own. At the same tempo, but it doesn't reset when you hit play (and it should).

I can't figure out anything to make sure that the tremolo starts on the first beat of a bar when I hit play or start a bounce.

There should definitely be at least an option to allow that. It's quite common on any VST with sync functionality :-/
 
Not sure if I got you😅 The thing is that, while the tempo is synced with the one set in the DAW project, the Helix Native clock goes on its own. At the same tempo, but it doesn't reset when you hit play (and it should).

I can't figure out anything to make sure that the tremolo starts on the first beat of a bar when I hit play or start a bounce.

There should definitely be at least an option to allow that. It's quite common on any VST with sync functionality :-/
I hear you. I meant setting up a tempo track automation in the DAW and then entering the desired changes manually, that should work.
 
I hear you. I meant setting up a tempo track automation in the DAW and then entering the desired changes manually, that should work.
Mmmm still not getting it, sorry😆 how would setting the tempo track improve the situation? The tempo is right in Helix Native (it gets the tempo set in the song project). The issue is that the tremolo effect is not starting from 0 when I hit play.

I made a shitty image on MSPaint to illustrate it better:
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The black lines are a full bar of 4 beats.
The red or green lines are the tremolo at 1/8T.
I would expect that everytime I hit play, no matter what, the tremolo behaves like figure 1, perfectly in sync with the first beat.
What currently happens is that, while Helix Native is detecting the song tempo correctly,it doesn't start on beat 1, so it can behave like figures 2 and 3, which sounds bad ("confusing" would be the word).

(5 minutes later...)

Forget all this. I just opened the project now and it does work as desired XDDD Guess I was facing some bug yesterday, but now I know that just restarting the project would work.

I didn't delete the message above because I liked my MSPaint drawing :D
 
I had a similar issue with the tremolo block in Native. Sometimes it lined up and sometimes it didn't. Luckily the song rendered just fine but I couldn't understand what was going on.
 
I recall having issues with tremolo in my Floor not starting precisely with the footswitch. It’s been a while since my band played Radiohead’s Planet Telex, so I’m not sure if it was a temporary bug or still an issue.
 
I investigated a bit more. Yesterday's message was actually a false positive. I forgot I disabled Helix's tremolo and put a Studio One X-trem on the track, so of course it was working perfectly.

Today I tried again and this is what I got:
-On normal playback, it DOESN'T sync with the song.
-On bounce, it DOES sync (yay!).

So, well, a bit of a PITA while recording, but at least I can trust that the final bounce will work.

To me, this is a bug (because other tremolos do sync on playback), so I'm reporting it.

EDIT: even weirder: in another song, same tremolo block ("Mono->Tremolo"), it never fails. Don't know what's happening here anymore, but well, it is what it is.
 
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(Couldn't decide whether to put this in a Helix thread or a TONEX one, but since it's ultimately pro-Helix, I decided here was better)

After slowly being able to play guitar again after a serious injury, I've (finally) been extensively testing the Tonex software the last few days, comparing it to what I get out of Helix, and idk. Tonex sounds great, no doubt, but when actually comparing the two I don't really get the hype if you already have a Helix thing (and don't need the DSP freed up), at least for the tube amp sounds I care about (clean Fender + drive pedals, Vox-y / Matchless things, sometimes JCM800 and 5150-esque tones in an 80s way for fun, Orange fuzziness). Again, it sounds great, but I never once was like "wow, I can't match this with Helix".

Tonex has the instant gratification thing where basically every capture I tried immediately sounded good, so maybe it's just that for some people (imo Helix should have the first several presets just be different variations of this idea for different amps, without any added complications, so you immediately get a usable, basic Fender or Marshall or Vox tone on startup). And I know a lot of people are critical of some of the high gain options on Helix, so maybe it's that.

Or maybe my ears aren't that picky (which tbh is fine by me). I've never been in the "Helix needs 3 EQs, 2 compressors, and two high cuts to sound good" camp, and maybe that's to my benefit in this case lol

And maybe the actual hardware is different, but running my interface (Motu M4) at very low latency, I don't really get the "Tonex FEELS better" thing. They also both seemed to take drive pedals basically the same in my setup, but once I got over "yeah you can't just full-on boost into it like a tube amp", I've never had complaints about the HX Stomp with drive pedals.

So anyway, this was all mainly to see if I wanted to grab a Tonex One to put in my HX Stomp's loop as a "set it and forget it" Fender thing, and I don't think it's worth the (tiny bit of) added latency and added steps for me. It is still sorta appealing as a tiny thing to run straight into a power amp though, and I may grab one someday to permanently attach to my Quilter for that use case, but ultimately Helix is fine by me for now, and I'm glad I didn't spend the money on actual Tonex hardware—I feel like I would have ended up kidding myself about the difference to justify it, and complicated my setup for no reason lol. Also, this way I get to spend the money saved on a fuzz pedal :P

I dooo still want to try a UA Dream or Ruby though, mainly because I still think turning real knobs to tweak amps is just more fun, and "simpler is better" has been bringing more joy out of guitar for me lately, but eh we will see.
 
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