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Helix JCM800 2203 Request Thread (FW 3.70 new Brit 2203)!
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The L6 forum is embarrassing. I frequented there when I had a Pod HD and there was a member who found himself in every single thread bitching about everyone not doing everything exactly like him. It went from weird to comical to sad very fast. If it were a physical place it would be much like Radiator Springs from the kids movie Cars, dusty and deserted.
Vic Winters
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If Cliff got a 2203 beta out before 3.70 drops I don't think I could take Helix devs seriously ever again.
SillyOctpuss
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That's a bit ott isn't it? Line 6 never does anything on anyone else's schedule. They also have a lot more products to support than fractal.
Vic Winters
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Yeah that's the problem. And I say that as someone who owns 3 Helix products and not a single Fractal unit.
SwirlyMaple
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Some people just want to watch the world burn.Everything goes according to my plan, both Line 6 and Fractal are right on schedule.
SillyOctpuss
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So who's schedule should they be working to? I'm pretty sure they release stuff as quick as they can with the resources they have. They're hardly just going to sit on stuff for a laugh.
The other part of my comment that you didn't quote is also relevant to this. Fractal have a lot less products to support than line 6.
James Freeman
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Relax, enjoy the brushing.
Foxmeister
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Line 6 has many more SKUs to deal with, and take a "big bang" approach when it comes to releases, rather than the more incremental approach that Fractal takes.
Even if Cliff does push out a 2203 beta before Line 6 releases 3.70, it will likely only be for the AxeFX3 and the FM series will have to wait before they get it.
Vic Winters
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Any schedule would be nice. The Vitriol Crunch channel has been out for over year and that still hasn't been fixed.
pipelineaudio
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That's DEFINITELY not true, though it could be argued they release when they should, but certainly not as quickly as they could
ispunk
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Relax. You'll get the 2203 when the 3.7 Full Release drops, not some beta version
GTR37
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I would never bet against Cliff unless line 6 update is early next week
SillyOctpuss
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Not sure why you mean? Do you mean holding a firmware update until a new product that uses it is launched?
James Freeman
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It takes a few days to measure everything in a simple amp like the 2203, then more time to accurately model it. That of course if the 40 year old amp is in perfect condition.
I wouldn't bet on Fractal for at least a month.
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I mean they could certainly release faster. They chose not to.
No they don't. They release when an internal beta candidate A) is feature complete and B) has no showstopping bugs after extensive testing. That's it.
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If you think they couldn’t release faster you are factually wrong. Your own explanation shows it. I appreciate their release schedule, but it can certainly be released faster.
There are a lot of different philosophies regarding this stuff. At one extreme end you have reaper where all development is public and pretty much every test build is released immediately to the public while the official releases come out much slower and thru the official update channel. At the other end you have more of this secret squirrel stuff, very limited or no public betas, no public alphas at all, etc.
There are a lot of different philosophies regarding this stuff. At one extreme end you have reaper where all development is public and pretty much every test build is released immediately to the public while the official releases come out much slower and thru the official update channel. At the other end you have more of this secret squirrel stuff, very limited or no public betas, no public alphas at all, etc.
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I'd rather wait until most of bugs were squished rather than releasing stuff that hasn't been properly tested. If that means I wait a few extra weeks then fine.
synthpenguin
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Agreed. I mean, having the option could be cool, but.. releasing public betas etc for hardware like this (very different from software and from hardware aimed chiefly at more DIY or technical users) can be a support and PR nightmare when a product is popular and widespread.
Even with every warning, you'll get a lot of people who aren't used to betas and such immediately trying it because it's the new thing with the new features they want, and then next thing you know forums and YouTube are full of people having problems, presets are broken, things freeze up live, and your hardware suddenly has a rep as being buggy and unreliable, even when the official releases are stable. Not to mention possible issues with rolling firmware back and bricking.
Not to say it's impossible of course. For example, Fractal does public betas, but I think the userbase is much smaller, and so it's different as you don't really hear about it outside the public beta threads when there are issues. I just don't think Line 6 would gain much from having public betas (and, after all, the point of a beta is that it's useful for development and bug-fixing, not to get features to users sooner), and only a small number of users would gain a little.
